Prospect Info: General Prospect Discussion Thread 2020-21 - Part 2

[thestonedkoala]

You'd love to see Boldy's game be somewhere in style between Mark Stone and Rantanen as a bigger forward. He's not as tough as Stone, nor as good defensively, but he is a better skater at a similar age, and might have just as good of a shot.

Both very high end comparisons...I'd be thrilled if he ends up being anything close to those two players.

Boldy might not be a fast skater, but he is a good skater.

I'm hoping that Boldy becomes like Stone; 20+ goals, 40+ assists would be great.

 

[Blue Ox]

What are the chances we see Boldy called up this year?

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

What are the chances we see Boldy called up this year?

Should be 100. I'd guess 50/50.

 

[thestonedkoala]

Should be 100. I'd guess 50/50.

Injuries happen, I think Boldy will be one of the first up is my hope.

 

[57special]

What are the chances we see Boldy called up this year?

Excellent.

 

[Wabit]

 

[thestonedkoala]

Makes sense. Hope he finds a place somewhere.

 

[Minnewildsota]

It seemed like he was projecting well, then fell off a cliff

 

[thestonedkoala]

It seemed like he was projecting well, then fell off a cliff

Injuries pretty much dropped him down the charts.

 

[Al Lagoon]

The closest thing I've seen to a power forward in a Wild sweater was Latendresse the season the Wild got him. He played some great crash-bang hockey and popped in 25 goals in 55 games, at the tender age of 22.
I know some would say poutine, but it was concussions that ruined a potentially great career.

 

[GuerinUp]

The closest thing I've seen to a power forward in a Wild sweater was Latendresse the season the Wild got him. He played some great crash-bang hockey and popped in 25 goals in 55 games, at the tender age of 22.
I know some would say poutine, but it was concussions that ruined a potentially great career.

foligno is close to that also, albeit not the same level assist wise

 

[thestonedkoala]

foligno is close to that also, albeit not the same level assist wise

Hartman was supposed to be sort of in that vein along with Greenway, but Greenway is softer than tissue.

 

[GuerinUp]

Hartman was supposed to be sort of in that vein along with Greenway, but Greenway is softer than tissue.

hartman doesnt really have the size to be considered a PF, hes more of a 2way forward grinder type with skill

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Now that somebody has brought him up, the Foligno of last year and so far this year is probably the best true PF we've had.

 

[Minnewildsota]

hartman doesnt really have the size to be considered a PF, hes more of a 2way forward grinder type with skill

I was going to say, "Today I learned power forwards can be 5'11""

 

[AKL]

I was going to say, "Today I learned power forwards can be 5'1""

To be fair, he's slightly taller than 5'1

 

[Minnewildsota]

To be fair, he's slightly taller than 5'1

Haha, I noticed it and changed it just before you posted.

 

[thestonedkoala]

I was going to say, "Today I learned power forwards can be 5'11""

Howe was 6'0" and Neely was 6'1", not that far off from 5'11".

 

[Minnewildsota]

Howe was 6'0" and Neely was 6'1", not that far off from 5'11".

I mean, you're obviously accounting for the mean size of players in the league in that analysis, right? It's not like players have gotten bigger over time...

 

[57special]

6' was a tall man back in the 1940's. Now not so much. Of course Howe was also thick, and very strong.

 

[MuckOG]

6' was a tall man back in the 1940's. Now not so much. Of course Howe was also thick, and very strong.

I'd say so.....

 

[BagHead]

6' was a tall man back in the 1940's. Now not so much. Of course Howe was also thick, and very strong.

I was so ready to refute this, and then I went to ourworldindata.org, and adjusted the chart for human height by year showing only US and Canada (the dominant nationalities of NHL players during the time period) and averaged them. I found that between 1940-1980 the average height of men had grown by over an inch and a half. If that rate holds true, and it's a big IF (between 1870-1905 the average American man actually got shorter), it means that by 2020 the average height for men in these countries will have grown by over 3 inches. That's a crazy amount of height!

Interestingly, Hockey Graphs shows the data in inches, and it does appear to be almost 3 inches of growth in average height for NHL players from 1940 to 2014. Weirdly, their average height numbers for the general populace don't have the growth that the other site shows. Their data shows it as roughly plateaued. I'm not sure what's causing that discrepancy. Maybe they're using different data sets.

That got more detailed than I intended, so I'm just going to say "yes, you're right".

 

[57special]

I was so ready to refute this, and then I went to ourworldindata.org, and adjusted the chart for human height by year showing only US and Canada (the dominant nationalities of NHL players during the time period) and averaged them. I found that between 1940-1980 the average height of men had grown by over an inch and a half. If that rate holds true, and it's a big IF (between 1870-1905 the average American man actually got shorter), it means that by 2020 the average height for men in these countries will have grown by over 3 inches. That's a crazy amount of height!

Interestingly, Hockey Graphs shows the data in inches, and it does appear to be almost 3 inches of growth in average height for NHL players from 1940 to 2014. Weirdly, their average height numbers for the general populace don't have the growth that the other site shows. Their data shows it as roughly plateaued. I'm not sure what's causing that discrepancy. Maybe they're using different data sets.

That got more detailed than I intended, so I'm just going to say "yes, you're right".

When will you learn that everything I say here is correct?