Prospect Info: General Prospect Discussion Thread 2019-20

[57special]

For sure. Kaliyev seemed to be a good bet any time after about pick 20. The guy is a goal scoring machine.

 

[Nsjohnson]

The difference this time is that Boldy wasn't considered a massive reach. Most mocks had him going before 12.

Correction, ALL mocks had him before 12.

 

[AKL]

Correction, ALL mocks had him before 12.

I specifically remember not even considering him an option for us in our “who should we take” discussions because I was certain he’d be gone by 10.

 

[thestonedkoala]

Boldy drought continues

A little worried, but not really. Is he Riley Tufte bad? No, but is he going to be the next Kyle Connor? Probably not. Adjustments to being a center is probably hampering some of his ability to score. I'm not worried until he doesn't make the WC Team.

 

[Saga of the Elk]

A little worried, but not really. Is he Riley Tufte bad? No, but is he going to be the next Kyle Connor? Probably not. Adjustments to being a center is probably hampering some of his ability to score. I'm not worried until he doesn't make the WC Team.

Tufte was just under half a point per game as a freshman, Boldy has one point... it's also true that Tufte is a two-time NATIONAL CHAMPION but anyhow.

Certainly not dogging the pick or giving up on him...but Boldy's game made me think of Charlie Coyle (he's nothing like Kyle Connor) except it didn't take Coyle any time to be a top NCAA player.

 

[AKL]

Tufte was just under half a point per game as a freshman, Boldy has one point... it's also true that Tufte is a two-time NATIONAL CHAMPION but anyhow.

Certainly not dogging the pick or giving up on him...but Boldy's game made me think of Charlie Coyle (he's nothing like Kyle Connor) except it didn't take Coyle any time to be a top NCAA player.

Yeah Coyle quickly rocketed to the top...*checks notes*...175 scorers in the NCAA that season.

 

[Saga of the Elk]

Yeah Coyle quickly rocketed to the top...*checks notes*...175 scorers in the NCAA that season.

He played...... HALF A SEASON

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Tufte was just under half a point per game as a freshman, Boldy has one point... it's also true that Tufte is a two-time NATIONAL CHAMPION but anyhow.

Certainly not dogging the pick or giving up on him...but Boldy's game made me think of Charlie Coyle (he's nothing like Kyle Connor) except it didn't take Coyle any time to be a top NCAA player.

26 points in 37 games is a top NCAA player?

He played...... HALF A SEASON

Half a season his 2nd season.

 

[Saga of the Elk]

Yeah Coyle quickly rocketed to the top...*checks notes*...175 scorers in the NCAA that season.

Top ten in his age group. I guess he sucks now that he's gone.

Half a season his 2nd season.

Yep my mistake. Thanks for catching that. Great job. 26 points as a freshman is bad, very bad.

 

[Goose312]

He played...... HALF A SEASON

you can put me on ignore, dude

He played the full year his freshman year and finished 186th in NCAA scoring that year... His 2nd year playing half the season he finished 87th in pts/gm. Personally I wouldn't consider that a top NCAA player.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Yep my mistake. Thanks for catching that. Great job. 26 points as a freshman is bad, very bad.

Did I call it "bad, very bad" or are you inventing things?

I must've missed where you said top NCAA freshman, and not top NCAA player. My bad.

 

[Saga of the Elk]

Did I call it "bad, very bad" or are you inventing things?

I must've missed where you said top NCAA freshman, and not top NCAA player. My bad.

Nope, guess I overstated it a bit. I think that's pretty solid production for a true freshman but not as impressive as Jaden Schwartz in that cohort or Cole Caufield in this era... but still more impressive than Matt Boldy (tho it be November).

 

[Bazeek]

Coyle had 8 points by this time his freshman year, which is about the same as Newhook and Brink this year. Not bad, not crazy.

I don't remember him ever being considered a top college player. I think expectations for him were relatively modest until he jumped ship to Saint John.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Coyle had 8 points by this time his freshman year, which is about the same as Newhook and Brink this year. Not bad, not crazy.

I don't remember him ever being considered a top college player. I think expectations for him were relatively modest until he jumped ship to Saint John.

Yeah, him dropping down a level and dominating the Q was what got a lot of people, including me, thinking that he could be our #1 RW and maybe a 30+30 guy going forward.

 

[TaLoN]

I think expectations for him were relatively modest until he jumped ship to Saint John.

Then he was suddenly a man amongst boys and a lot of people forgot to take that into account. Everyone started drooling over his stats, and a few kept pointing to his more modest numbers vs his own age/size group instead, yet expectations couldn't be tempered overall.

 

[Dee Oh Cee]

Him and Zach Phillips....

 

[Bazeek]

Yeah, him dropping down a level and dominating the Q was what got a lot of people, including me, thinking that he could be our #1 RW and maybe a 30+30 guy going forward.

Then he was suddenly a man amongst boys and a lot of people forgot to take that into account. Everyone started drooling over his stats, and a few kept pointing to his more modest numbers vs his own age/size group instead, yet expectations couldn't be tempered overall.

GopherState tried to warn us.

 

[TaLoN]

GopherState tried to warn us.

He wasn't the only one!

 

[16thOverallSaveUs]

Kinda crazy to me that both the writers for the Athletic rated Matt Boldy Ahead of Kirvy Dach, and Dach has more points in the NHL than Boldy has in college.

2019 NHL Draft Rankings

I still do get excited about the idea of boldy as a center

 

[Wabit]

Kinda crazy to me that both the writers for the Athletic rated Matt Boldy Ahead of Kirvy Dach, and Dach has more points in the NHL than Boldy has in college.

2019 NHL Draft Rankings

I still do get excited about the idea of boldy as a center

Dach was the guy I wanted the most from last draft, and Cozens after him.

 

[16thOverallSaveUs]

Dach was the guy I wanted the most from last draft, and Cozens after him.

Beckman is better than Cozens

 

[AKL]

Beckman is better than Cozens

I don’t think I was really sold on Cozens by the end. Definitely had Turcotte, Zegras and Dach ahead of him. I don’t think he has the high end offensive potential of the other guys. I also think Boldy’s offensive upside is higher, and I stand by that even with his rough start.

 

[Wabit]

I don’t think I was really sold on Cozens by the end. Definitely had Turcotte, Zegras and Dach ahead of him. I don’t think he has the high end offensive potential of the other guys. I also think Boldy’s offensive upside is higher, and I stand by that even with his rough start.

I like Zergas a lot, was hoping he'd be there for our pick. I wasn't sold on Turcotte, but would have easily taken him if he was there at 12. He's kind of like Boldy, was it him or his linemates that made him good question I had.

Dach and Cozens were the best centers for the Wild at the time of the draft being RHS centers. I'm still happy we got Boldy, even if he's not tearing things up yet. Krebs was the other FWD I would have wanted if none of these guys were on the board.

 

[Wabit]

Beckman is better than Cozens

That would have been more of a reach than FJ last season.

 

[AKL]

I like Zergas a lot, was hoping he'd be there for our pick. I wasn't sold on Turcotte, but would have easily taken him if he was there at 12. He's kind of like Boldy, was it him or his linemates that made him good question I had.

Dach and Cozens were the best centers for the Wild at the time of the draft being RHS centers. I'm still happy we got Boldy, even if he's not tearing things up yet. Krebs was the other FWD I would have wanted if none of these guys were on the board.

I was split on Turcotte vs. Zegras going into the draft, but I thought Zegras was more likely to fall to us.