General COVID-19 talk, NHL remains suspended MOD Warning post #1

[kingsboy11]

Last thread reached 40 pages and it looked like it was it was getting out of hand. A reminder for the rules of the thread and general Covid-19 talk

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[King'sPawn]

It's honestly scary injecting disinfectants is getting compared to chemotherapy.

I don't know what's worse: Trump genuinely asking if it's a viable treatment or him saying today he was being sarcastic.

 

[kingsholygrail]

Gonna be weird if LA county ends up surrounded by counties opening back up for business.

 

[Bandit]

Gonna be weird if LA county ends up surrounded by counties opening back up for business.

It’ll be weirder if they all start dropping like flies around us. I certainly hope that doesn’t happen.

 

[KINGS17]

Gonna be weird if LA county ends up surrounded by counties opening back up for business.

It could happen. First all eyes will be on Georgia and Texas, and probably more from California on Texas. Texas seems to be going with a more phased-in approach, which California will favor. I hope people get outside this weekend to the hiking trails, beaches, etc. No reason not to get out there if you are healthy.

 

[Buddy The Elf]

Gonna be weird if LA county ends up surrounded by counties opening back up for business.

I'm legitimately interested in the outcome of this. There are lots of dynamics to digest. It's a science experiment, a social experiment and a test of political will/power. I'm in favor of people making their own choices but my concern is a situation like Italy where the Healthcare system is overrun. In that situation you can have someone who heeded the warnings and has a medical emergency but can't get adequate treatment. I don't want my parents to die because they stayed home in isolation and have a moderate medical condition flare up turn into death because we "opened up" while young healthy people spread the virus unknowingly and inundating our Healthcare system in the process. That's my concern.

 

[KINGS17]

I'm legitimately interested in the outcome of this. There are lots of dynamics to digest. It's a science experiment, a social experiment and a test of political will/power. I'm in favor of people making their own choices but my concern is a situation like Italy where the Healthcare system is overrun. In that situation you can have someone who heeded the warnings and has a medical emergency but can't get adequate treatment. I don't want my parents to die because they stayed home in isolation and have a moderate medical condition flare up turn into death because we "opened up" while young healthy people spread the virus unknowingly and inundating our Healthcare system in the process. That's my concern.

I hope your dad comes out of this with no problems.

 

[Buddy The Elf]

I hope your dad comes out of this with no problems.

Much appreciated! My dad's more worried about golf courses not being open. Mom's sewing masks for my future sister-in-law who works in the ICU at Harbor UCLA. I'm worried about both while both are stoic. Role reversal and getting old(er) sucks!

 

[HeadInjury]

It's honestly scary injecting disinfectants is getting compared to chemotherapy.

I don't know what's worse: Trump genuinely asking if it's a viable treatment or him saying today he was being sarcastic.

 

[Reaper45]

My pops has COPD. He's a high risk dude and I've had to talk to him about what his plans are just in case It's a strange time we're living in. Stay safe dudes.

 

[redcard]

God I'm so ready to go back to not respecting any of y'all's hockey opinions.

 

[Fishhead]

It could happen. First all eyes will be on Georgia and Texas, and probably more from California on Texas. Texas seems to be going with a more phased-in approach, which California will favor. I hope people get outside this weekend to the hiking trails, beaches, etc. No reason not to get out there if you are healthy.

It will definitely start up earlier in OC. Our testing per day here has slowly risen, and the number of new cases is slowly dropping. Right now there's only 63 people in an intensive care unit with COVID. It's not like total lockdown here either, there are people out, but they are being responsible. Seeing someone maskless here in Tustin/Irvine is the exception, almost everyone has them on.

It helps that we don't have a ton of high capacity apartments around here, sans down by UCI. Mostly everything is single family or condo living where you have a good amount of space.

 

[deaderhead28]

It's honestly scary injecting disinfectants is getting compared to chemotherapy.

I don't know what's worse: Trump genuinely asking if it's a viable treatment or him saying today he was being sarcastic.

Honestly what's worse is misrepresentation of the facts.To understand Trump’s remarks, it’s important to first understand the full context of what was said at the press briefing.

" FACT CHECK: No, Trump Did Not Tell People To ‘Inject Themselves With Disinfectant’ Or ‘Drink Bleach’

 

[King'sPawn]

Honestly what's worse is misrepresentation of the facts.To understand Trump’s remarks, it’s important to first understand the full context of what was said at the press briefing.

" FACT CHECK: No, Trump Did Not Tell People To ‘Inject Themselves With Disinfectant’ Or ‘Drink Bleach’

I understood Trump's remarks. I have the context. He asked his staff to look into the viability of the treatment, then when called on it, said the next day he was being sarcastic.

You can minimize his moronic query all you want. But I did not misrepresent the facts. And his ignorance of the topic does not need any further understanding.

 

[HookKing]

And, as it turns out, chemical disinfectants (injected) are already being tried -- its called intravenous hydrogen peroxide therapy. The old saying -- the only stupid question is the one not asked -- still applies.

• Oliver TH, CantabBC, Murphy DV, Influenzal pneumonia: the intravenous injection of hydrogen peroxide. Lancet 1920;1:432-433.
• Root RK, Metcalf J, Oshino N, et al. H2O2 release from human granulocytes during Homophobic Slurocytosis. J Clin Invest 1975;55:945-955.
• Finney JW, Jay BE, Race GJ, et al. Removal of cholesterol and other lipids from experimental animals and human atheromatous arteries by dilute hydrogen peroxide. Angiology 1966;17:223-228.
• Urschel HC, Finney JW, MoraleAR, et al. Cardiac resuscitation with hydrogen peroxide. Circ 1965;31 (suppl II);II-210.
• Urschel HC, Finney JW, BallaGA, et al. Protection of the ischemic heart with DMSO alone or with hydrogen peroxide. Ann NY Adad. Sci. 1967; 151:231-241.
• Gorren AC, Dekker H, Wever R Kinetic investigations of the reaction of cytochrome C oxidase by hydrogen peroxide. Biochem Biophys Acta 1986; 852(1):81-92.
• Nathan CF, Cohn ZA Antitumor effects of hydrogen peroxide in vivo. J Exp Med 1981;154:1539-1553.
• Manakata T, Semba U, Shibuya Y, et al. Induction of interferon-gamma production by human natural killer cells stimulated by hydrogen peroxide. J Immunol 1985;134(4):2449-2455.
• Lebedev LV, Levin AO, Romankova MP, et al. Regional oxygenation in the treatment of severe destructive forms of obliterating diseases of the extremity arteries. Vestn Khir 1984;132:85-88.

 

[RocketKing]

Honestly what's worse is misrepresentation of the facts.To understand Trump’s remarks, it’s important to first understand the full context of what was said at the press briefing.

" FACT CHECK: No, Trump Did Not Tell People To ‘Inject Themselves With Disinfectant’ Or ‘Drink Bleach’

From what I can tell Trump was immediately responding back to Bill Bryan, Under Secretary for Science and Technology at DHS, who had just talked about how they are testing things in saliva that kill the virus.

We’ve tested bleach, we’ve tested isopropyl alcohol on the virus, specifically in saliva or in respiratory fluids, and I can tell you that bleach will kill the virus in five minutes,” Bryan said. “Isopropyl alcohol will kill the virus in 30 seconds, and that’s with no manipulation, no rubbing. Just bring it on and leaving it go. You rub it and it goes away even faster.”

Bryan added, “We’re also looking at other disinfectants, specifically looking at the COVID-19 virus in saliva.”

Trumps comments were definitely not well chosen (LOL for sure), but I thought everyone wants him to listen to his Science Advisors. Which he appears to be doing in this exchange? Maybe context matters to some more than others.

 

[HookKing]

From what I can tell Trump was immediately responding back to Bill Bryan, Under Secretary for Science and Technology at DHS, who had just talked about how they are testing things in saliva that kill the virus.

We’ve tested bleach, we’ve tested isopropyl alcohol on the virus, specifically in saliva or in respiratory fluids, and I can tell you that bleach will kill the virus in five minutes,” Bryan said. “Isopropyl alcohol will kill the virus in 30 seconds, and that’s with no manipulation, no rubbing. Just bring it on and leaving it go. You rub it and it goes away even faster.”

Bryan added, “We’re also looking at other disinfectants, specifically looking at the COVID-19 virus in saliva.”

Trumps comments were definitely not well chosen (LOL for sure), but I thought everyone wants him to listen to his Science Advisors. Which he appears to be doing in this exchange? Maybe context matters to some more than others.

Logic with zealots is usually a waste of time. In their minds Trump told people to poor drano down their throats. Nothing will change that. Cue the moving goalposts avalanche...

 

[Maynard]

From what I can tell Trump was immediately responding back to Bill Bryan, Under Secretary for Science and Technology at DHS, who had just talked about how they are testing things in saliva that kill the virus.

We’ve tested bleach, we’ve tested isopropyl alcohol on the virus, specifically in saliva or in respiratory fluids, and I can tell you that bleach will kill the virus in five minutes,” Bryan said. “Isopropyl alcohol will kill the virus in 30 seconds, and that’s with no manipulation, no rubbing. Just bring it on and leaving it go. You rub it and it goes away even faster.”

Bryan added, “We’re also looking at other disinfectants, specifically looking at the COVID-19 virus in saliva.”

Trumps comments were definitely not well chosen (LOL for sure), but I thought everyone wants him to listen to his Science Advisors. Which he appears to be doing in this exchange? Maybe context matters to some more than others.

So now he wasn’t being sarcastic?

 

[HookKing]

So now he wasn’t being sarcastic?

First moved goalpost.

 

[King'sPawn]

First moved goalpost.

I thought:

The old saying -- the only stupid question is the one not asked -- still applies.

So was he talking about an actual study going on or was he being sarcastic?

Talk about logic with zealots being a waste of time and moving goalposts.

 

[Bandit]

I thought:



So was he talking about an actual study going on or was he being sarcastic?

Talk about logic with zealots being a waste of time and moving goalposts.

Talk about a Walter Sobchak moment...

 

[HookKing]

I thought:



So was he talking about an actual study going on or was he being sarcastic?

Talk about logic with zealots being a waste of time and moving goalposts.

Reading comprehension? He asked the question. Jeez.

 

[King'sPawn]

For additional info, I will highlight the years of these articles. Since pedantry, proper language usage, and accuracy is so important, these aren't being tried. They were tried. Last century.

And, as it turns out, chemical disinfectants (injected) are already being tried -- its called intravenous hydrogen peroxide therapy. The old saying -- the only stupid question is the one not asked -- still applies.

• Oliver TH, CantabBC, Murphy DV, Influenzal pneumonia: the intravenous injection of hydrogen peroxide. Lancet 1920;1:432-433.
• Root RK, Metcalf J, Oshino N, et al. H2O2 release from human granulocytes during Homophobic Slurocytosis. J Clin Invest 1975;55:945-955.
• Finney JW, Jay BE, Race GJ, et al. Removal of cholesterol and other lipids from experimental animals and human atheromatous arteries by dilute hydrogen peroxide. Angiology 1966;17:223-228.
• Urschel HC, Finney JW, MoraleAR, et al. Cardiac resuscitation with hydrogen peroxide. Circ 1965;31 (suppl II);II-210.
• Urschel HC, Finney JW, BallaGA, et al. Protection of the ischemic heart with DMSO alone or with hydrogen peroxide. Ann NY Adad. Sci. 1967; 151:231-241.
• Gorren AC, Dekker H, Wever R Kinetic investigations of the reaction of cytochrome C oxidase by hydrogen peroxide. Biochem Biophys Acta 1986; 852(1):81-92.
• Nathan CF, Cohn ZA Antitumor effects of hydrogen peroxide in vivo. J Exp Med 1981;154:1539-1553.
• Manakata T, Semba U, Shibuya Y, et al. Induction of interferon-gamma production by human natural killer cells stimulated by hydrogen peroxide. J Immunol 1985;134(4):2449-2455.
• Lebedev LV, Levin AO, Romankova MP, et al. Regional oxygenation in the treatment of severe destructive forms of obliterating diseases of the extremity arteries. Vestn Khir 1984;132:85-88.

So okay. It's not a dumb question in the same vein of the president asking questions like:
"Was Hitler a bad guy?"
"Is it possible to put an aircraft in outer space and have people walk on the moon?"
"What is this Nintendo everyone is talking about?"

People have looked into it. He's just behind on what everyone else already knows.

 

[HookKing]

For additional info, I will highlight the years of these articles. Since pedantry, proper language usage, and accuracy is so important, these aren't being tried. They were tried. Last century.



So okay. It's not a dumb question in the same vein of the president asking questions like:
"Was Hitler a bad guy?"
"Is it possible to put an aircraft in outer space and have people walk on the moon?"
"What is this Nintendo everyone is talking about?"

People have looked into it. He's just behind on what everyone else already knows.

He is? Really. Maybe you should check out the CDC's own website:
Ortho-phthalaldehyde (OPA)

Overview.

Ortho-phthalaldehyde is a high-level disinfectant that received FDA clearance in October 1999. It contains 0.55% 1,2-benzenedicarboxaldehyde (OPA). OPA solution is a clear, pale-blue liquid with a pH of 7.5. (Tables 4 and 5)

 

[Maynard]

First moved goalpost.

Huh? He said he was being sarcastic, you’re saying he wasn’t being sarcastic. You said “from what I can tell he was responding to Doctor Bill Brown.” These can’t both be true.