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Maybe by you, not me. Some of us like having a defenseman that can score more often than Mike Brown.
Speculation: Garrioch: Braun on the block; Sharks looking for top-4 D
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Maybe by you, not me. Some of us like having a defenseman that can score more often than Mike Brown.
hohosaregood
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Like Demers but at the time, it seemed like the right move .Needed an LD that could keep up with Burns and a defensive guy was probably the right move. Turns out that Dillon can't keep up with Burns which is unfortunate.
DarrylshutzSydor
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I hdn't heard of any conditioning issues. TM and the coaching staff didn't give him nearly enough time or opportunity. They were the ones that squandered JD talent. Which you can see now in Dallas.
Vaasa
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Not just you. I hated the deal when they did it and still do. Dillon wasn't needed really as what we needed was a 2-way defenseman in addition to having Demers. Add the retained salary and the rest of the deal and it was stupid from the get-go IMO.
Hatrick Marleau
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I'd definitely do that. Hamonic has a bit more offensive ability than Braun. He's kind of like a Seabrook type.
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I wonder what it would take to make that deal happen? Braun + a prospect and pick for Hamonic?
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Hamonic is exactly what the Sharks need: a young, 2-way, RD with top-pairing upside. But San Jose doesn't meet his requirement of being closer to home (Manitoba), and the Isles are going to be asking for a lot. I also don't like the idea of trading one top-4 D-man (i.e. Braun) for another, because it leaves the Sharks with the same hole as before.
sr228
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They have the space until Couture comes back at which time they'd have to clear about $3.5mil off their cap.
The NYI want a good d-man (preferably RD) in return, they don't want futures.
I'd probably do Braun for Hamonic but right now it would more or less be a sideways move as they're pretty similar players, Hamonic has a bit more offense & Braun is a bit better defensively. The big difference is that Hamonic is 25 so I'd expect the NYI to ask for more in return.
It still leaves the Sharks with an issue on the bottom pairing.
CrypTic
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I agree. I think the main problem from the Sharks' POV is that, given that the Isles are mostly interested in a replacement (per reports), it would mostly be a sideways move. (That's true for any team involved if the Isles trade for a replacement: Why do it?) From Hamonic's POV, the Sharks are, at best, in his 2nd tier of teams. If the Isles can't find a suitable deal in T1, maybe it works out. But, e.g., Tanev (who is also 25) could work, as could D-men in Winnepeg, Minnesota (closer to Winnepeg than SJ), maybe Calgary, etc.
The cap hits and term for Braun and Hamonic are almost identical so that part would be easy for both teams. (Braun: 3.8M thru 19-20, Hamonic: 3,857,143 thru 19-20) As sr228 said, the Isles might want more from the Sharks bc of the age difference. I'd guess it comes down to whether the Isles can work something out with Hamonic's preferred teams (list per Dreger on twitter: Winnepeg, Calgary, Edmonton, Vancouver, maybe other western cities if those don't work).
I'd probably do it if the Isles don't ask for much more than Braun.
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He had plenty of time and opportunities. He's the same player in Dallas as he was in S.J.
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He also complained publicly about not getting put back in the lineup after an injury. Much like Stuart.
SactoShark
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So they extended him for 2 years? I guess that's the same as Seto, but seems like an odd way to show a guy the door.
Episkey
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But it adds more offense to an offensively starved Sharks blue line. I'd do this deal in a heartbeat, but I doubt NYI does. Doug Wilson should be able to fix that hole without trading away a top-4 defenseman. Although I don't think Dillon - Tennyson necessarily needs fixing, especially if we got a guy like Hamonic.
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I agree that Harmonic would be great in Teal. Not sure i'd move any of or top 4 or 5 D at this point, Dillon has been much better as my POV. Dillon and Harmonic would be a decent pairing, what side does Harmonic play? He'll be expensive and we don't have assets (perhaps a bottom 6 player, e.g. smith which is not enough) or picks i'd wanna move and sounds like he'd prefer further north!
WTFetus
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Dillon can technically be a RD and was top-4 caliber before this season, right? Wingels + Dillon for Hamonic please. 
bigwillie
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Dillon can technically be a RD and was top-4 caliber before this season, right? Wingels + Dillon for Hamonic please.
I would literally cry tears of joy if that happens.
CrypTic
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Snow wants a top-4 D back. That's part of the problem. If he wanted Fs, Edmonton would be the ideal partner for NYI probably.
I think Hamonic would prefer Western Canada partly bc of customs and partly bc their schedule might make it easier to get back to Winnepeg if he needed to ASAP.
Here's part of an article about the situation:
"The sources indicated Snow has talked with numerous teams about a deal but finding a match has been extremely difficult. "They're not just going to give him away," one source said, adding that Snow is seeking a commensurate return -- an established top-four defenseman, not prospects and/or draft picks. "He's their best defenseman.""
http://www.newsday.com/sports/hocke...974?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Another article:
“The problem with them trading Travis Hamonic,” one exec said, “is they want… Travis Hamonic.”
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/new-york-islanders-trying-to-trade-hamonic/
This has been going on since the pre-season but was just leaked today.
sr228
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Dillon can technically be a RD and was top-4 caliber before this season, right? Wingels + Dillon for Hamonic please.
I know you're joking here but really, Wingels would have a tough time cracking that roster. I've been a big fan of the NYI for quite a while now and their forward depth is kinda disgusting.
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A signed RFA that has potential is more valuable than an unsigned RFA you're trying to dump.
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