Speculation: Garrioch: Braun on the block; Sharks looking for top-4 D
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Fistfullofbeer
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I would take Braun over any of those players. Also, we cannot afford to lose Braun if we are seriously interested in making a playoff push.
And to be very honest, past reports from Garrioch have shown that he is not the most reliable source.
And to be very honest, past reports from Garrioch have shown that he is not the most reliable source.
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I could see this one happening though, DW has established a pattern of moving guys that he was high on at one point that have disappointed. He layed the groundwork in the offseason talking about Braun needing to play better.
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ScottyDont
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So we're trading a top 4 dman for another top 4? Unless we're including someone else like Wingels, I don't see this working out well
Fistfullofbeer
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I am not advocating this or supporting this but the only way I can see Braun being moved is if we are not in playoff contention by the TDL and we are moving other piece(s) like Marleau and/or Thornton.
If we plan on competing over the next couple of years we need a player like Braun. None of our D prospects are going to be as good as Braun is in the next 2 years. Maybe Mueller if he starts putting things together but Roy will need more time.
That being said, if Braun is moved at the TDL, he will get a really good return. He plays in our top-pairing and can anchor the 2nd pairing if/when required.
If we plan on competing over the next couple of years we need a player like Braun. None of our D prospects are going to be as good as Braun is in the next 2 years. Maybe Mueller if he starts putting things together but Roy will need more time.
That being said, if Braun is moved at the TDL, he will get a really good return. He plays in our top-pairing and can anchor the 2nd pairing if/when required.
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Garrioch is a step above Eklund but we could use more offense from the D on the right side (as well as the left).
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It could make sense if Braun was part of a package deal. E.g., if we traded Marleau and the other team wanted to send back a serviceable but overpaid D-man as kind of a cap dump to make the deal work. (Not saying that we're trading Marleau, only using it to illustrate how it might make sense.)
Or we could trade Braun for an offensively-inclined top-4 D or bottom pairing D with good upside (e.g., Vatanen, not that I think that deal will happen but just as an example of the type of bottom pairing D-man). That seems unlikely but at least it might potentially make sense for both teams.
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You have to imagine we are in search of offense. Braun is a void in the offensive zone. Takes too long to make a decision. Generally just rims it hard making it impossible for his guys to grab it. Honestly he's not that great at moving it out of the zone. So what team needs to improve their defensive game and can spare some offense.
Fistfullofbeer
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The only way moving Braun would make sense if we swap him for another top-4 D who is more offensive minded but not as good as Braun defensively. Basically someone that won't look out of place in our top-pairing with Vlasic but can chip in more points than Braun and maybe even QB the 2nd PP unit.
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Fistfullofbeer
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Braun+ for Yandle? No way. I am not touching that. Yandle is a UFA next year and is going to want 6M+. Braun is signed till 2019-2020 is on a very cap friendly deal.
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If Braun had a lick of offense that would be nice.
We need to cycle our call up options sooner than later. Our second unit is garbage.
Tennyson just hasn't been providing the offense we need from a PP "specialist"
I like him as a player and want him as our 7th dman but he doesn't really provide anything that we don't already have. His shot is very inaccurate.
I like him as a player and want him as our 7th dman but he doesn't really provide anything that we don't already have. His shot is very inaccurate.
Fistfullofbeer
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Well, that is the sad truth. I mean another issue is our top-4 right now is:
Vlasic, Braun, Burns and Martin. We have only 1 offensive minded D-man.
They just got Martin and he has fit in well with Burns. He is not moving. If we want to move a top-4 D-man, it has to be Braun (no point talking about Vlasic getting moved).
But the way I see it, we don't necessarily need a top-4 D-man. What we need is a bottom pairing D-man who is good enough offensively to QB the 2nd PP unit. I would not be opposed to moving Braun. But it needs to be a deal that makes sense for us long term. Not a UFA who is very likely to bail on us.
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I'm sorry, are we seriously complaining about Justin Braun? He has been excellent this year, he and Vlasic have been the single best shutdown pair in the league. The rest of the players in that rumor are borderline cap dumps. Braun is a borderline top-pairing defenseman. He had an off year last season but he's returned to 13-14 form.
This rumor is total BS. The ONLY thing that would make sense, given who is available, is if Colorado would send us Tyson Barrie+ for him.
I have not been overly impressed with Martin of late and pretty soon that contract is going to be an albatross. Burns is a UFA after next season and will likely get $7.5+M. Do you guys want Vlasic to be the only top-tier defenseman we have in two years?
This rumor is total BS. The ONLY thing that would make sense, given who is available, is if Colorado would send us Tyson Barrie+ for him.
I have not been overly impressed with Martin of late and pretty soon that contract is going to be an albatross. Burns is a UFA after next season and will likely get $7.5+M. Do you guys want Vlasic to be the only top-tier defenseman we have in two years?
The Ice Hockey Dude
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Feels like a rumor for the sake of a rumor to me. I think Braun has been good this year for sure.
Top 4 D are available are hard to find and trade for, Braun is a top 4 D and i see no reason to want to move him. He's got a cap friendly contract also. Nahh, just a rumor to sell clicks.
Top 4 D are available are hard to find and trade for, Braun is a top 4 D and i see no reason to want to move him. He's got a cap friendly contract also. Nahh, just a rumor to sell clicks.
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As we all know, Doug Wilson is an absolutely terrible evaluator of defensive talent so would you really be surprised if he was that much of an idiot?
But yes, this is like 99.95% pure speculation pulled from the ass of darkness.
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I would use the "Burns seems to like it here" argument, but he seems to like it everywhere
I still see us re-signing him. We should have Roy up on a nice cheap contract by then
Juxtaposer
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I would use the "Burns seems to like it here" argument, but he seems to like it everywhere
I still see us re-signing him. We should have Roy up on a nice cheap contract by then
Exactly. I hope we re-sign Burns, and I think we have a decent chance. But the problem is that he'll probably want a long deal and he'll be 32. Has the potential to be a very bad contract, and that's not even taking his injury history into account.
And as much as I am a fan of Roy, we can't count on him. Counting on Roy to replace Braun (or Burns) adequately is a decently lesser but still as irresponsible ask as expecting Mueller to replace Vlasic.
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