GameCenter Live vs NHL Center Ice

[Ola]

thanks

 

[Dreakon13]

Will I get arrested or fined for using Hockeystreams?

 

[haohmaru]

I've had it for a few years and I'm still not in jail.

 

[Kane One]

Will I get arrested or fined for using Hockeystreams?

Nope. The only one doing something considered illegal here is HockeyStreams, but the server is hosted in the Netherlands, where I don't think it's illegal.

 

[Realize]

So, for me it's not finished with GCL.
Was not able to watch the NYR game again.
Even the TBL game was not able to watch for me, in Germany.

Now I am thinking of going to hockeystreams.. but perhaps, someone of you can help me out in advance?
-> will it be "full screen" via chromecast?
-> can I avoid spoilers on hockeystreams? (final scores, OT, S/O?)
-> will the full length on demand games be without commercials, as they are on GCL currently?

I am really done with the crappy performance of GCL.

Thanks guys for helping me

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Will I get arrested or fined for using Hockeystreams?

I doubt you would be arrested, but you would be a great target for identity theft.

Nope. The only one doing something considered illegal here is HockeyStreams, but the server is hosted in the Netherlands, where I don't think it's illegal.

Nope!

Purchasing and watching pirated streams is definitely illegal for the viewer as well as the distributor. The distributor, however, would be the main target for legal action.

The cost of being a fan has gotten completely out of hand, so I don't give a rats ass where someone gets their hockey, but Hockeystreams is definitely illegal.

 

[Kane One]

I doubt you would be arrested, but you would be a great target for identity theft.



Nope!

Purchasing and watching pirated streams is definitely illegal for the viewer as well as the distributor. The distributor, however, would be the main target for legal action.

The cost of being a fan has gotten completely out of hand, so I don't give a rats ass where someone gets their hockey, but Hockeystreams is definitely illegal.

Is donating money to a streaming website where in return they will allow you to watch their stream illegal?

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Is donating money to a streaming website where in return they will allow you to watch their stream illegal?

Yes, that would be illegal.

 

[Kane One]

Yes, that would be illegal.

Interesting.

 

[Beer League Sniper]

That person has absolutely no idea what they're talking about. It's not illegal to watch a stream in the US, despite what the licensing is. I don't know why he insists on misinforming posters here.

You. can't. get. in. trouble. for. using. hockeystreams.

He's dead wrong.

 

[Bingeling]

Now I am thinking of going to hockeystreams.. but perhaps, someone of you can help me out in advance?
-> will it be "full screen" via chromecast?
-> can I avoid spoilers on hockeystreams? (final scores, OT, S/O?)
-> will the full length on demand games be without commercials, as they are on GCL currently?

I don't know about chromecast, but I would be surprised if it is not full screen.

I never see spoilers on hockeystreams. I think there is a very basic setting with "scores on/off".

The "on demand games" are like watching it on television, apart from the ability to skip around. The Flash player (at least) has preset options to skip 2 and 17 minutes to skip ad break and intermission.

 

[bobby peru]

I doubt you would be arrested, but you would be a great target for identity theft.

Why do you needlessly fear monger about hockeystreams? Your statement is baseless

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

That person has absolutely no idea what they're talking about. It's not illegal to watch a stream in the US, despite what the licensing is. I don't know why he insists on misinforming posters here.

You. can't. get. in. trouble. for. using. hockeystreams.

He's dead wrong.

I believe it's only illegal if you redistribute the licensed product for monetary compensation, like the warnings before the movies say. Then again nothing is illegal until you're caught.

 

[Beer League Sniper]

I believe it's only illegal if you redistribute the licensed product for monetary compensation, like the warnings before the movies say. Then again nothing is illegal until you're caught.

Exactly, which you wouldn't be doing by simply watching the stream. There's nothing illegal about using hockeystreams.

Now, if you want to get into an argument about how ethical it is, then you're on a little firmer ground. But I personally don't feel like I've done anything unethical. I would pay the extra money for GCL if they didn't have the ridiculous blackout restrictions. If I pay for a streaming service, I want access to every game, regardless of where I am geographically and whether or not the game is on local TV.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

That person has absolutely no idea what they're talking about. It's not illegal to watch a stream in the US, despite what the licensing is. I don't know why he insists on misinforming posters here.

You. can't. get. in. trouble. for. using. hockeystreams.

He's dead wrong.

You should change your name from revelation to rationalization. In fact, several other posters should do the same thing.

 

[Beer League Sniper]

You should change your name from revelation to rationalization. In fact, several other posters should do the same thing.

Do you dispute the fact that it's not illegal?

You've been misinforming people, telling them it's illegal. You're wrong.

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[ReggieDunlop68]

Do you dispute the fact that it's not illegal?

You've been misinforming people, telling them it's illegal. You're wrong.

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I'll bite.

Why is it legal?

And if you provide the "donation" excuse, why does that line of reasoning make sense to you?

 

[Hunter Gathers]

I'll bite.

Why is it legal?

And if you provide the "donation" excuse, why does that line of reasoning make sense to you?

It's legal because it's not illegal. See Zuffa, LLC v. Justin.tv, Inc., 838 F. Supp. 2d 1102, 1106 (D. Nev. 2012); Premium Sports Inc. v. Connell, No. 10 CIV. 3753 KBF, 2012 WL 691891 (S.D.N.Y. Mar. 1, 2012) reconsideration denied, No. 10 CIV. 3753 KBF, 2012 WL 2878085 (S.D.N.Y. July 11, 2012); Ark Promotions, Inc. v. Justin.tv, Inc., 904 F. Supp. 2d 541 (W.D.N.C. 2012).

The DMCA does not make streaming illegal. The Federal Communications Act requires an "interception," which the courts have maintained does not include watching a stream. There is currently no Act that expressly makes watching a stream illegal.

As of today, streaming is legal because it is not illegal. Now, this changes when you are broadcasting a stream in a restaurant or something else for profit. But at home viewing is simply not covered under the aforementioned Acts.

This message board post is not meant to be construed as legal advice, not meant to be acted upon as legal advice, may not be current, and is subject to change without notice. It is my sole opinion and does not represent the views of my employer.

 

[Walk With Lias]

Anyone else having trouble streaming GCL via the apple tv app? I constantly get an error message that tells my that an error occurred loading this content.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

For what it's worth, it's easy to see why laymen like Reggie would be confused about this. The law re: streaming is very convoluted.

Essentially, right now, for streaming to be illegal, you must either 1) be downloading the material (not just live streaming a sporting event or show) or 2) showing the unlicensed stream to a group of people (i.e. showing it in a bar).

Personal streaming of a live sporting event is simply not against the law.

This message board post is not meant to be construed as legal advice, not meant to be acted upon as legal advice, may not be current, and is subject to change without notice. It is my sole opinion and does not represent the views of my employer.

 

[Hire Sather]

Its one thing to be nervous about it being illegal, even though nothing would happen to him even it was, but the blind fear about your identity being stolen because of using hockey streams makes no sense at all.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Its one thing to be nervous about it being illegal, even though nothing would happen to him even it was, but the blind fear about your identity being stolen because of using hockey streams makes no sense at all.

Well, both are equally unfounded, IMO. It's clearly not illegal, though.

 

[Beer League Sniper]

I'll bite.

Why is it legal?

And if you provide the "donation" excuse, why does that line of reasoning make sense to you?

It's legal because it's not illegal. See Zuffa, LLC v. Justin.tv, Inc., 838 F. Supp. 2d 1102, 1106 (D. Nev. 2012); Premium Sports Inc. v. Connell, No. 10 CIV. 3753 KBF, 2012 WL 691891 (S.D.N.Y. Mar. 1, 2012) reconsideration denied, No. 10 CIV. 3753 KBF, 2012 WL 2878085 (S.D.N.Y. July 11, 2012); Ark Promotions, Inc. v. Justin.tv, Inc., 904 F. Supp. 2d 541 (W.D.N.C. 2012).

The DMCA does not make streaming illegal. The Federal Communications Act requires an "interception," which the courts have maintained does not include watching a stream. There is currently no Act that expressly makes watching a stream illegal.

As of today, streaming is legal because it is not illegal. Now, this changes when you are broadcasting a stream in a restaurant or something else for profit. But at home viewing is simply not covered under the aforementioned Acts.

This message board post is not meant to be construed as legal advice, not meant to be acted upon as legal advice, may not be current, and is subject to change without notice. It is my sole opinion and does not represent the views of my employer.

For what it's worth, it's easy to see why laymen like Reggie would be confused about this. The law re: streaming is very convoluted.

Essentially, right now, for streaming to be illegal, you must either 1) be downloading the material (not just live streaming a sporting event or show) or 2) showing the unlicensed stream to a group of people (i.e. showing it in a bar).

Personal streaming of a live sporting event is simply not against the law.

This message board post is not meant to be construed as legal advice, not meant to be acted upon as legal advice, may not be current, and is subject to change without notice. It is my sole opinion and does not represent the views of my employer.

Is that enough smackdown for you? Will you stop trying to scare posters away from a service that is better than both CI and GCL for many people?

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Is that enough smackdown for you? Will you stop trying to scare posters away from a service that is better than both CI and GCL for many people?

I mean, to be fair to him, the law is super ambiguous and hard to understand. That's the primary reason it's been litigated, really. If it was easy to understand, this wouldn't be an issue. But as of today, it's not illegal to stream.

This message board post is not meant to be construed as legal advice, not meant to be acted upon as legal advice, may not be current, and is subject to change without notice. It is my sole opinion and does not represent the views of my employer.

 

[Hire Sather]

I mean, to be fair to him, the law is super ambiguous and hard to understand. That's the primary reason it's been litigated, really. If it was easy to understand, this wouldn't be an issue. But as of today, it's not illegal to stream.

This message board post is not meant to be construed as legal advice, not meant to be acted upon as legal advice, may not be current, and is subject to change without notice. It is my sole opinion and does not represent the views of my employer.

Even if it WERE illegal, though.. can someone seriously believe the law will go after all the subscribers of the site? How would that be possible?

Theres just no reason at all to fear it.