TV: Game of Thrones | Season 6 | Part VI (NO BOOK DISCUSSION - NO SPOILERS!)

[Blender]

I wonder if we will even see Jorah again this season? As I said in the last thread though, I don't expect a happy ending to his story. He's been a sympathetic character who was suffered since the start.

 

[4thline]

I think the whole "Bran playing with the past" expectation is a wrong turn from that scene. My read was that Bran warging past and present Hodor linked their minds, and Wylas's mind was shattered by being linked to his future death, essentially "killing" his mind from that point on. I don't see it as being something repeatable, at least not in a significant way.

 

[Birko19]

I wonder if we will even see Jorah again this season? As I said in the last thread though, I don't expect a happy ending to his story. He's been a sympathetic character who was suffered since the start.

His character is actually quite amusing and annoying at the same time, he sounds like a capable knight with wisdom in his voice, yet around Dany he acts like a little boy who found his first love, sadly for him he's in the friendzone for life

 

[Alexander the Gr8]

I think the whole "Bran playing with the past" expectation is a wrong turn from that scene. My read was that Bran warging past and present Hodor linked their minds, and Wylas's mind was shattered by being linked to his future death, essentially "killing" his mind from that point on. I don't see it as being something repeatable, at least not in a significant way.

It's not just that scene. In the ToJ scene, Ned appears to hear Bran's voice. The NK saw Bran and even touched him through the visions. The NK touching him and leaving a mark on his body is proof that Bran did go to the past through his vision.

 

[JDinkalage Morgoone]

It's not just that scene. In the ToJ scene, Ned appears to hear Bran's voice. The NK saw Bran and even touched him through the visions. The NK touching him and leaving a mark on his body is proof that Bran did go to the past through his vision.

Do we know when that happened in terms of time? Was that with the current wight army or back during the Long Night?

 

[Jumptheshark]

show needs to work on continuity --i just rewatched two earlier episodes with the red witch and she did not have the necklace on

 

[Alexander the Gr8]

Do we know when that happened in terms of time? Was that with the current wight army or back during the Long Night?

It's unclear, but as soon as he touches Bran through the vision, the NK goes to seek him out. Perhaps the NK waited for thousands of years for the mark to appear on Bran's arm.

 

[sa cyred]

Hodor

 

[Bones Malone]

He was always the catalyst for most of the events in the show. Remember, everything in Westeros happened because Jaime pushed him through the window of a tower in Winterfell.

Hodor is Hodor because he had been conditioned by future Bran to see his own death. Bran was always meant to fall from the tower, he was always meant to survive from the fall and to be carried to the 3ER by Hodor. Bran was always meant to be touched by the NK, and Hodor was always meant to die while protecting Bran and Meera from the wights.

All of this happened because Hodor's story had to stay coherent with the future events. There is no way present Bran could've avoided this series of events because future Bran altered the past. Any attempt to avoid this fate would've resulted in a paradox.

Why was the 3ER so upset that it happened then? The 3ER even says Bran has to take his place sooner than he's supposed to? If everything happens because it has to happen then free will should not exist. Right?

 

[StrictlyCommercial]

For the mad king stuff, there was a scene in the trailers of a shadow cast on a wall getting stabbed in the back. May be a Bran vision. Could also just be someone getting murdered of course.

 

[4thline]

It's not just that scene. In the ToJ scene, Ned appears to hear Bran's voice. The NK saw Bran and even touched him through the visions. The NK touching him and leaving a mark on his body is proof that Bran did go to the past through his vision.

Big step from making someone think "hey what was that?... you're hearing things Ned" to causing a complete mental break.

I disagree, I interpreted it as NK being a supernatural being that could perceive Bran's presence and interact with it rather than Bran actually "being somewhere." It felt very dream sequency, if the NK could move as fast in real life as he did getting from his horse to behind/beside Bran when he turned to look at the wights they never would have gotten out of that cave.

 

[Bubba Thudd]

What. Did they mention this in the show? I could have sworn that would be something I wouldn't haven't missed.

nah, not in the show or in the books. I was being facetious.

 

[Blender]

His character is actually quite amusing and annoying at the same time, he sounds like a capable knight with wisdom in his voice, yet around Dany he acts like a little boy who found his first love, sadly for him he's in the friendzone for life

To me, if Jorah had been born the eldest son of a Stark, Lannister, Tyrrell, etc. he is the type of person who would have been capable of great things. He's intelligent, wise, speaks multiple languages, is a skilled fighter, and is generally a good person. He has weaknesses like every other character of course. As he was born a Mormont he didn't often have the chance to use his talents to their fullest. I see similarities between him and Tyrion, who was also often under utilized because he was a dwarf, despite being the most capable of Tywin's children.

Jorah finally found a purpose to his life through Dany after being lost for years, and finally had the chance to put his talents to use.

 

[JDinkalage Morgoone]

show needs to work on continuity --i just rewatched two earlier episodes with the red witch and she did not have the necklace on

I'm not of the belief it was tied to the necklace.

 

[JDinkalage Morgoone]

To me, if Jorah had been born the eldest son of a Stark, Lannister, Tyrrell, etc. he is the type of person who would have been capable of great things. He's intelligent, wise, speaks multiple languages, is a skilled fighter, and is generally a good person. He has weaknesses like every other character of course. As he was born a Mormont he didn't often have the chance to use his talents to their fullest. I see similarities between him and Tyrion, who was also often under utilized because he was a dwarf, despite being the most capable of Tywin's children.

Jorah finally found a purpose to his life through Dany after being lost for years, and finally had the chance to put his talents to use.

Maybe Jorah takes that pardon he received and finally uses it to go to the Citadel.

 

[Pirate King Luffy]

nah, not in the show or in the books. I was being facetious.

Oh

Haha

 

[Alexander the Gr8]

Why was the 3ER so upset that it happened then? The 3ER even says Bran has to take his place sooner than he's supposed to? If everything happens because it has to happen then free will should not exist. Right?

That's an existential question. Is free will real, or are we bound by a destiny?

Big step from making someone think "hey what was that?... you're hearing things Ned" to causing a complete mental break.

I disagree, I interpreted it as NK being a supernatural being that could perceive Bran's presence and interact with it rather than Bran actually "being somewhere." It felt very dream sequency, if the NK could move as fast in real life as he did getting from his horse to behind/beside Bran when he turned to look at the wights they never would have gotten out of that cave.

Maybe those like Bran, 3ER and the NK can move around at will in the visions. Bran isn't supposed to be able to walk, but he has the ability to walk in his visions. These are projections of the past, not the actual past, which would explain why the NK moved that fast. What is unclear is how the NK was able to physically alter Bran's body in the real world. Could it be possible for Bran to be killed in his visions and die simultaneously in the real world?

One thing is for sure, Bran is the one who messed up Hodor's mind.

More questions than answers, everything I say here is just speculation.

 

[Blender]

Maybe Jorah takes that pardon he received and finally uses it to go to the Citadel.

Pretty much everyone who cared about his crimes is dead any ways.

 

[JDinkalage Morgoone]

That's an existential question. Is free will real, or are we bound by a destiny?



Maybe those like Bran, 3ER and the NK can move around at will in the visions. Bran isn't supposed to be able to walk, but he has the ability to walk in his visions. These are projections of the past, not the actual past, which would explain why the NK moved that fast. What is unclear is how the NK was able to physically alter Bran's body in the real world. Could it be possible for Bran to be killed in his visions and die simultaneously in the real world?

One thing is for sure, Bran is the one who messed up Hodor's mind.

More questions than answers, everything I say here is just speculation.

Could be like The Matrix, "the body cannot live without the mind."

 

[JDinkalage Morgoone]

I still think there's a piece of TER inside of Bran, much like there was a piece of Orell in the hawk that attacked Jon.

 

[ArGarBarGar]

3ER did. Ned had to die to set things in motion for Bran to end up where he needed to be -- with the 3ER.

It makes me sad that we are getting so far-fetched with GoT theories that this wasn't immediately seen as a joke.

 

[Alexander the Gr8]

It makes me sad that we are getting so far-fetched with GoT theories that this wasn't immediately seen as a joke.

When you throw time travel in the mix, possibilities are endless and theories get pretty wacky.

 

[Tasteslikekevinbacon]

It makes me sad that we are getting so far-fetched with GoT theories that this wasn't immediately seen as a joke.

When there is a semi convincing, albeit far fetched theory of Varys being a sea monster/mermaid you just never know. People loves them some theories!

 

[JDinkalage Morgoone]

When there is a semi convincing, albeit far fetched theory of Varys being a sea monster/mermaid you just never know. People loves them some theories!

Or Roose Bolton being a vampire. Or Roose Bolton being eternal and flaying his enemies so he can wear their skin and assume their identities

 

[Random Forest]

show needs to work on continuity --i just rewatched two earlier episodes with the red witch and she did not have the necklace on

Which scenes? There's a theory that the one scene with Melisandre in the bath talking to Lady Florent isn't an error, but instead, Lady Florent actually seeing Melisandre for who she is (hence why Lady Florent is so terrified in that scene). I don't know if that was intended to be the case, but it would make sense (also why Florent is such a true believer).

Why was the 3ER so upset that it happened then? The 3ER even says Bran has to take his place sooner than he's supposed to? If everything happens because it has to happen then free will should not exist. Right?

I don't think he was upset. I get the feeling 3ER knew it was coming. Note that he didn't ask Bran, "Did he touch you?"-- he actually tells Bran (twice) that he was touched.

I also don't think Bran is taking his place sooner than he's supposed to-- in fact, I think Bran is taking his place exactly when he's supposed to. Bran asks if he's ready, and 3ER responds with "No" and then he immediately takes Bran under... my interpretation is that he isn't ready until he goes to this vision and scrambles Hodor's mind and learns what he's capable of. IE, he wasn't ready until that happened, and now he is.