Post-Game Talk: GAME 51 - #$@&%*!#$@&%*! Flyers 3 BRUINS 2 F/OT

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Sure, like the sox and yankees do ? lol How many guys are those teams paying for that dont even play baseball anymore ? Like I said you cant buy a championship in hockey.

And by the way, I think the NHL should do what the NFL does. Team makes stupid signing (backes) ? No problem just cut him and your off the hook.

Makes GM's in the NFL look smarter than they really are.

Sox definitely aren't an example of effective spending but the Bruins with their buyouts and bad contracts like Backes put themselves at a huge disadvantage out the gate. Moore on a 5 year deal and is a healthy scratch many nights, that's not getting an effective bang for your buck. Bruins are at disadvantage to teams who dont have bad albotras contracts

NHL would strike if they didn't guarantee contracts
 

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Sox definitely aren't an example of effective spending but the Bruins with their buyouts and bad contracts like Backes put themselves at a huge disadvantage out the gate. Moore on a 5 year deal and is a healthy scratch many nights, that's not getting an effective bang for your buck. Bruins are at disadvantage to teams who dont have bad albotras contracts

Moore is not an albatross contract, and he should be in the lineup. The B’s have too many NHL D. Time to move one and address the Top 6.
 

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2) I believe there are other factors at work here. The B’s had some injuries at C, but JFK was pretty clearly in the lineup because the B’s were looking to move him in a deal.

3) The reason Cassidy is having a hard time with the lines and D pairs is because he has too many options. I love a team to have depth, but the B’s have too many “depth” players and not enough difference makers.

The B’s D (when healthy) have 10 guys that could make cases that they are legitimate NHL players (the 8 that are on the team now and UV, Lauzon). When they had 4 D hurt, it was a no-brainer, these 6 were playing because that’s all you had. Now they are all healthy and you have two younger players that are in PRO that could be 3rd pair D now and one of Grizz/Moore is getting sat in games. I firmly believe that the reason Moore has not looked great in his last two games is because he’s rusty. Guy played something like two games in the last 3/4 weeks (after being in the lineup every night) and you think he’s going to be good?

Yup, and then JFK started to produce and they still sent him down to the minors. guess production doesn't matter when he's not part of their precious "plan" whatever that is. Kinda like Vatrano, and Connolly, and Reilly Smith. I'll say it right now that all three of those guys are better than every single forward Sweeney has traded for or signed during his tenure as GM. That's a sad statement for a guy on the job nearly 4 years now.

Moore has been rusty, last night was his second game in 3 weeks. I also think his confidence has been impacted by essentially an undeserved healthy scratching because Kevan Miller is considered a "leader" of the D-corps by his coach and has a spot in the line-up carved in stone.
 
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Yup, and then JFK started to produce and they still sent him down to the minors. guess production doesn't matter when he's not part of their precious "plan" whatever that is. Kinda like Vatrano, and Connolly, and Reilly Smith. I'll say it right now that all three of those guys are better than every single forward Sweeney has traded for or signed during his tenure as GM. That's a sad statement for a guy on the job nearly 4 years now.

Moore has been rusty, last night was his second game in 3 weeks. I also think his confidence has been impacted by essentially an undeserved healthy scratching because Kevan Miller is considered a "leader" of the D-corps by his coach and has a spot in the line-up carved in stone.

I like JFK, but not as high on him as you are. I think the fact that he was able to hold his own (even though I don’t think he’s quite ready), is a good thing for the B’s, whether they keep him or move him.
 

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I like JFK, but not as high on him as you are. I think the fact that he was able to hold his own (even though I don’t think he’s quite ready), is a good thing for the B’s, whether they keep him or move him.

I'm not even super-high on him, I think he has potential to be decent NHL center, 10-15 goals, maybe 40-50 pts. I just thought his game was getting progressively better, was showing a bit more consistency and he was starting to contribute to this teams ability to generate goals, something that is a major issue right now.

I've liked what I've seen from Frederic the past two games, in particular from a defensive stand-point. But I don't see him having the ability to generate offense as good as JFK does right here today. Long-term he probably exceeds him, but that could be the difference between a 1st year pro like Frederic between a 2nd-year pro like JFK when looking at the very short term. Confidence is such a huge thing in terms of generating offense.

Clearly lines 3 and 4 are now designed to further emphasize the cycle game and while they should help them keep the puck out of their own net (via more offensive zone-time), it probably won't result in much in terms of goals scored as the 6 players comprising those two lines are very much lacking in offensive ability. Maybe the trade off will pan out, but I'm starting to have my doubts.
 

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It’s not Krejci’s fault . Guy has been great in my opinion this year . He is so far ahead of his current linemates it is laughable.

Definitely not blaming Krech- he has been good most of the time this year, but however you read it, it's still a one line team right now.
 

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He needs to man up and quit feeling sorry for himself. I'm sick of seeing him on the bench with his head down or looking like a lost puppy dog. His mental approach is too fragile, I mean get pissed at yourself, for missing a wide open net and losing battles in the offensive zone.

His mental makeup right now is so weak he should be sat for a couple of games, and showed film of himself from a year ago on the way he played,someone who had a sneaky nice release and jump in his play.

I can't speak to what's happening in his head, and whether he feels sorry for himself or not. Everyone handles adversity differently, even down to the outward displays. But he is yippy, no question. It's too bad he's waiver eligible. A week or two in Providence would be just what the doctor ordered. I guess a few games upstairs would be the next best thing :dunno:
 

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I can't speak to what's happening in his head, and whether he feels sorry for himself or not. Everyone handles adversity differently, even down to the outward displays. But he is yippy, no question. It's too bad he's waiver eligible. A week or two in Providence would be just what the doctor ordered. I guess a few games upstairs would be the next best thing :dunno:

I agree, clearly his confidence is shot to hell and honestly who's wouldn't be considering the season he's had so far. So yes, sit him in the press box for a few games and have him study video of himself from last season because throwing him out there every game isn't doing him or the team much good right now.
 
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Seeing the kids struggle to perform up to last year's standard I've begun to ask myself if this really is the dreaded sophomore slump or was last year a fluke & this is who they really are as players? I really hope it isn't the latter because if it is the Bruins are in deep shit. :dunno: :help:
 

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You can't buy championships in hockey

You CAN - but in the salary cap era you need to be prepared for the bottom falling out

Look at the champions from this decade

Chicago 2010 2013 2015
Boston 2011
Los Angeles 2012 2014
Pittsburgh 2016 2017
Washington 2018

Chicago got greedy and winning in 2015 put them in cap hell ( Brent Seabrook contract) but today not a factor

LA got a huge break in both 2012 and 2014 when the Bruins got knocked out early. Today not a factor.

Pittsburgh is still a factor as is Washington.

Bruins? In hindsight, they should have fired Chia and Julien after the 2014 loss to Montreal.
 

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False, I don't care about analytics so don't bring them into play. I watched a player last night prevent goals by his play away from the puck and covering mistakes from a young center who needs time to adjust, and was having trouble at points staying on his feet last night.

Is he worth 6 million? No. but that is a different argument. He is no longer a top 6 forward.

Good thing there are Bruin fans out there that think he deserves a spot in the lineup. Jeez.
 

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If that game wasn’t proof that the Gryz is the Bruins best LHD at this point in time then Maybe people don’t need have eyes or their eyes only see height.
 

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If that game wasn’t proof that the Gryz is the Bruins best LHD at this point in time then Maybe people don’t need have eyes or their eyes only see height.
 
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He needs to man up and quit feeling sorry for himself. I'm sick of seeing him on the bench with his head down or looking like a lost puppy dog. His mental approach is too fragile, I mean get pissed at yourself, for missing a wide open net and losing battles in the offensive zone.

His mental makeup right now is so weak he should be sat for a couple of games, and showed film of himself from a year ago on the way he played,someone who had a sneaky nice release and jump in his play.

I agree that he needs to fight through it, but I don’t read a lot into the hanging his head. As fans, we don’t like to see it, but I guarantee he’s angry at himself and not feeling sorry for himself.

That said, I don’t think he’s losing a lot of battles in the O zone. Every player is going to lose a few, but more often that not, he is tying up the player and delaying the transition out of the zone.

As far as the scoring, plain and simple, he’s snakebit. He’s gripping the stick too tight and needs to relax and just play. That pass from Krejci WAS rolling (if you don’t believe me watch the replay) and not easy to handle. He tried to cup the puck to settle it and it snuck under the blade. If things were going well for him, he settles that and buries it.

The problem is that he’s not getting a lot of chances, so the misses look so much worse. Last night Pasta misses a wide open net on a similar rolling puck (on the PP before the goal) and a couple of other chances. It’s not a big deal because he gets another 7/8 chances, hits the net on 5 and scores twice. It stands out with Heinen because he’s not burying the few chances he is getting.

I wish they could send him to PRO to get his mojo back, but they can’t. I don’t know that I would sit him because IMO even when he’s not scoring, he’s a better option than Acciari.
 

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at what point do we start to blame the developing process of the organization rather than their lack of moves.. all this "promising" talent, yet not one has been a real gamebreaker this season.. im sorry but that is a coaching issue to me.. more precise, a systems issue.. this team has been playing the same way all year long and now the anger is bubbling into these game threads..NOT ONE of our "second year" guys has improved.. not one! how does coaching not get recognized for this.. a good coach looks at his players and adapts.. im starting to feel like sweeney is great at first then teams adapt and he just keeps trying the same thing because it worked for awhile..
 
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at what point do we start to blame the developing process of the organization rather than their lack of moves.. all this "promising" talent, yet not one has been a real gamebreaker this season.. im sorry but that is a coaching issue to me.. more precise, a systems issue.. this team has been playing the same way all year long and now the anger is bubbling into these game threads..NOT ONE of our "second year" guys has improved.. not one! how does coaching not get recognized for this.. a good coach looks at his players and adapts.. im starting to feel like sweeney is great at first then teams adapt and he just keeps trying the same thing because it worked for awhile..

I think some of this is just the classic sophomore slump (which comes about because teams are familiar with players the second time around). The kids need to work through this and adapt to the teams adapting to them if you know what I mean.

The other part of it (IMO) for kids like DeBrusk and Heinen (and Cehlarik) is that they still need a veteran presence to help. As much as Riley Nash was nothing special, he was the experienced guy Heinen could lean on last year. This year on the 3rd line, he IS the experienced guy. If Boston adds a 3C, Heinen and whomever the other wing is will look better. If the B’s add a legit Top 6 wing, I think that would take the pressure off DeBrusk and/or Cehlarik.
 
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I wish they could send him to PRO to get his mojo back, but they can’t. I don’t know that I would sit him because IMO even when he’s not scoring, he’s a better option than Acciari.

:laugh: This is the point we have reached? He's a better option than Acciari so we keep him in the lineup?

Laughable. He's being outplayed by both Kuraly and Wagner, that's unacceptable for a 3rd line player. I too, wish we could send him down.

Danton needs to pull his head out of his ass and win every shift he can. Being a good player for like 2 minutes a night and not producing is basically the reason he's getting all of this flack in the first place. Win the puck, make the correct plays, generate scoring chances. Heck even Nordstrom showed more life than Heinen did and he hasn't played in a month.
 

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See, in my eyes, Cehlarik was hurt by that block and Heinen took his spot to give Peter time on the bench to recover. That's a smart move by the coach. I did not see anything from Cehlarik the deserved a benching, but if someone did please correct me.
No, I agree. He definitely was in pain after shot block -- Brickley mentioned it as well. It better be that... because Cehlarik is one of the few bright spots at forward right now.
 
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Last night, the two best shifts the 2nd line had was with Heinen. I really like the chemistry that Cehlarik has with Krejci, but they weren’t feeling it last night.

What I don’t understand is why DeBrusk is seemingly immune to the Cassidy short leash? Maybe 74 was the issue with that line last night (and other nights)? Personally, I am not a fan of the constant line changing that Cassidy does with the lines other than the Bergeron line. I’m not bashing DeBrusk, but he hasn’t been playing that well of late. Why not try him with someone other than Krejci.

I would really, really like to see the B’s add a legit Top 6 wing because I don’t think any of Cehlarik, Heinen, even DeBrusk is playing like a 2nd line wing right now.
I agree, it was two decent shifts. I just was hoping it was a case of Cehlarik being hurt -- because if Cassidy doesn't see that line being much better and dangerous than prior to Cehlarik I don't know what to say.

Sadly in the bigger picture, I agree. We need real second line help.
 

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I’d sit Chara and Debrusk next game to get Grzelcyk back in. If you really want to send a message to JD, call up Senyshyn for a couple games. I’d like to see Vaakanainen back on the team too, he’d most likely be a step up from Miller and Moore.
 
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:laugh: This is the point we have reached? He's a better option than Acciari so we keep him in the lineup?

Laughable. He's being outplayed by both Kuraly and Wagner, that's unacceptable for a 3rd line player. I too, wish we could send him down.

Danton needs to pull his head out of his ass and win every shift he can. Being a good player for like 2 minutes a night and not producing is basically the reason he's getting all of this flack in the first place. Win the puck, make the correct plays, generate scoring chances. Heck even Nordstrom showed more life than Heinen did and he hasn't played in a month.

Comparing Heinen to Kuraly and Wagner is pointless. They are completely different types of players. He’s getting flack because he’s an easy target. What exactly did Nordstrom do to “show more life”? I didn’t notice him at all.

If you want to talk about mistakes last night, talk about Kuraly and his bonehead lack of coverage on the Giroux goal. McAvoy has the puck deep, and Kuraly was the high forward. Him not falling back earlier, along with Chara’s bad read, led to that goal.
 

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