GDT: Game 29: Montreal Canadiens vs Chicago Blackhawks: 6:00pm EST RDS, SN, TSN 690

[David Suzuki]

Crawford is anglo, we're good.

It's Toews we have to worry about

 

[InglewoodJack]

He speaks French.

Not as a first language.

 

[PaulD]

I think Seabrooke and Keith have declined severely

Playing dominant physical hockey through all the Stanley Cups, ConSmythe, Presidents trophies, and 110 game seasons will do that.

Golf game probably needs work though.

 

[HabsDood]

Not as a first language.

Yes he does.. We have Shaw.


Go Habs Go

 

[Cacaniemi]

Has keith really regressed that much ?? Havent been intune with his situation but i saw blackhawk fans saying how bad he was... would it really be a bad idea to buy low on him and pair him with weber ?

 

[THE HOFF]

Not as a first language.

Its like a disease here. ouf! not as a first language... that was close boys ...

but yes he does, mother is french, so he's been frenching at elite levels all along. I heard his french intangibles are off the charts. In fact, all his intangibles are french.

 

[De Montreal]

Anders Martinsen......

 

[Zorba]

Crawford is anglo, we're good.

Crawford dominates us. I have a bad feeling about this one

 

[Zorba]

After 3 Cups in 6 seasons the line up gets decimated.

In that same time span the Habs won 5 rounds. Line up gets decimated constantly.

Im still jealous.

I’d take 3 cups in 6 season then go through a rebuild anytime!

 

[scrubadam]

Chicago's core has nothing left to prove. They've been there and done that... three frikkin times! Aside from Keith their stars aren't even old or declining; they're probably just suffering from mental fatigue and letdown. Ken Dryden described the same effect with the Habs in the late 70s in his book, The Game. After their third straight Cup, Montreal lost the fire and was going through the motions. They still managed a fourth Cup, mostly because the league was so much more unbalanced than today. But then as now, too much success for too long breeds complacency.

Whats scary is Chicago can land Hughes, maybe trade a piece or two on their team and be right back up there.

Like you said their stars aren't even that old. Add in Hughes with Kand and Towes and they could be right back into contention.

 

[Gravity]

The only thing on the Chicago lineup that I wish the Habs had is trading for Strome.

 

[Cobra Commander]

It's Toews we have to worry about

Suzuki + Poehling + 2019 1st

For

Jonathan Toews

He should be our 1st line center

Toews
Domi
Kotka
Danault

Now dats wat u call depth.

We can win cups with that center line..

 

[Gravity]

Suzuki + Poehling + 2019 1st

For

Jonathan Toews

Absolutely Terrible IMO. The youth movement goes down the drain for a 10.5M C on the decline.

 

[Cobra Commander]

Absolutely Terrible IMO. The youth movement goes down the drain for a 10.5M C on the decline.

So a mid round 1st, a 3rd line center, and MAYBE a top 6 player for a 1st line center with 3 cups. If you analyze the whole thing you have to remove Suzuki like we never had him. So it’s like we are trading:

Pacioretty
Poehling
2019 1st

For

Toews
Tatar
2019 2nd

This is what the whole thing would break down to essentially. This is fantastic for us.

 

[admiralcadillac]

So a mid round 1st, a 3rd line center, and MAYBE a top 6 player for a 1st line center with 3 cups. If you analyze the whole thing you have to remove Suzuki like we never had him. So it’s like we are trading:

Pacioretty
Poehling
2019 1st

For

Toews
Tatar
2019 2nd

This is what the whole thing would break down to essentially. This is fantastic for us.

That's not how it would break down seeing as Suzuki is one of our top prospects. You're suggesting we give a first and two of our three best prospects not in the nhl for a guy who is definitely past the point of his best years.

 

[habergeon]

Great gdt, very crisp and clean. Love it.

As for the game, I think it will be a good one. Our speed is going to give that Chicago team fits on the forecheck. But there is just too much talent in a handful of players on Chicago to be wary. If I'm the Blackhawks? I'm trying to to make it physical, slow, grindy pushing after the whistle and seeing if I can get the habs taking an extra penalty or two.

If we stay out of the box, we'll win this one.

 

[Adam Michaels]

No changes to the line-up tonight.

 

[Hostile Offer]

Anders Martinsen......

Well there's a name I'd rather never hear.

 

[Gravity]

So a mid round 1st, a 3rd line center, and MAYBE a top 6 player for a 1st line center with 3 cups. If you analyze the whole thing you have to remove Suzuki like we never had him. So it’s like we are trading:

Pacioretty
Poehling
2019 1st

For

Toews
Tatar
2019 2nd

This is what the whole thing would break down to essentially. This is fantastic for us.

The point of the Pacioretty trade was to get younger. We did that. Trading for Toews un-does that.

 

[Cobra Commander]

That's not how it would break down seeing as Suzuki is one of our top prospects. You're suggesting we give a first and two of our three best prospects not in the nhl for a guy who is definitely past the point of his best years.

No if you look at the big picture this is exactly what would be going out and coming in if we mish mashed it all together. And Toews is still a fantastic 2way Center who is absolutely killing it this season. He’s still only 30, he fits the Price/Weber window.
I would be trying to win a cup within the next couple of seasons.

Mid round 1st MIGHT yield us an NHL player in a few years.

Poehling PROBABLY is nothing but a 3rd line center

Suzuki MIGHT become a top 6 NHL player or MIGHT be another guy who won’t transition well into the NHL.. we don’t know.

We already have our “Future” core in place

Those 3 pieces might not pan out to be much. Toews becomes our 1st line center and makes us a contender right now..

 

[Dichow Stopper]

So a mid round 1st, a 3rd line center, and MAYBE a top 6 player for a 1st line center with 3 cups. If you analyze the whole thing you have to remove Suzuki like we never had him. So it’s like we are trading:

Pacioretty
Poehling
2019 1st

For

Toews
Tatar
2019 2nd

This is what the whole thing would break down to essentially. This is fantastic for us.

Toews isn’t a first line center anymore. He brings a lot to the game and I actually like him, but at 10.5M$ per, he is an overpaid second line center, and his leadership doesn’t make up for the difference.

4 years ago, sure. But not anymore.

 

[Gravity]

No if you look at the big picture this is exactly what would be going out and coming in if we mish mashed it all together. And Toews is still a fantastic 2way Center who is absolutely killing it this season. He’s still only 30, he fits the Price/Weber window.
I would be trying to win a cup within the next couple of seasons.

Mid round 1st MIGHT yield us an NHL player in a few years.

Poehling PROBABLY is nothing but a 3rd line center

Suzuki MIGHT become a top 6 NHL player or MIGHT be another guy who won’t transition well into the NHL.. we don’t know.

We already have our “Future” core in place

Those 3 pieces might not pan out to be much. Toews becomes our 1st line center and makes us a contender right now..

I'd rather continue as is. Price and Weber will still be good for a few more seasons. Toews also screws up the cap for when you have to sign Domi next year.

It seems like the first time we're going through a true re-tool or rebuild here in MTL. I'd rather be patient than jump the gun. Let's hope for another top pick this year.

 

[Cobra Commander]

The point of the Pacioretty trade was to get younger. We did that. Trading for Toews un-does that.

The point of trading Pacioretty is because he sucks. Toews is still a fantastic 2 way center.
Good teams are able to go for cups while still developing for the future.

Trading for Toews makes us a much better team, he makes us a real team that can actually compete for real.

 

[admiralcadillac]

No if you look at the big picture this is exactly what would be going out and coming in if we mish mashed it all together. And Toews is still a fantastic 2way Center who is absolutely killing it this season. He’s still only 30, he fits the Price/Weber window.
I would be trying to win a cup within the next couple of seasons.

Mid round 1st MIGHT yield us an NHL player in a few years.

Poehling PROBABLY is nothing but a 3rd line center

Suzuki MIGHT become a top 6 NHL player or MIGHT be another guy who won’t transition well into the NHL.. we don’t know.

We already have our “Future” core in place

Those 3 pieces might not pan out to be much. Toews becomes our 1st line center and makes us a contender right now..

I'm not sure I understand the conflicting logic behind people wanting to tank and rebuild, and giving away our best prospects.

Yes prospects aren't a sure thing but that doesn't stop people from attaching value to that possibility. The habs are absolutely not in a position to be giving them away for overpaid guys heading towards the twilight years of their peak.

 

[Gravity]

The point of trading Pacioretty is because he sucks. Toews is still a fantastic 2 way center.
Good teams are able to go for cups while still developing for the future.

Trading for Toes makes us a much better team, he makes us a real team that can actually compete for real.

Either way, I still don't think we'd be able to compete with Toews. Still too many holes. Defense without Weber is putrid. Too many holes to try to fix with trades, which is why we are here.....