Completely agree with you. I wouldn´t dress Jagr to 3rd line with those guys healthy or not. Its misuse of Jagr and first and foremost bad for the team.
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Completely agree with you. I wouldn´t dress Jagr to 3rd line with those guys healthy or not. Its misuse of Jagr and first and foremost bad for the team.
Over the volcano
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If he's not going to play like he's part of the team or use that talent then yes he should sit.
jagr should be on the top 2 lines.
either horton or seguin should moved down to line3
the way seguins has played the first 2 games i would swap him with jagr
Exactly. He should be a focal point of the offense,not some misguided savior of Kelly and Peverley's season. How in the hell is he not better than at least 2 of the other wingers? Bench Peverley and get Soderberg in there. Not Julien's finest work with all the line juggling the last 3 weeks.
im pretty sure ference got suspended because the leaf broadcast threw up the replay of it 5,000 times.
Notice they didnt show one replay or mention the Phaneuf hit last nite. not once.
If you ask me, neither of them are suspension worthy.
So far this playoffs, the abdelkater one is probably only one suspension worthy.
Jagr obviously shouldn't be with Kelly and Peverley, but scratching him outright would be foolish. Even if Julien is so in love with the idea of keeping Lucic/Krejci/Horton together, at least hide Jagr on the 4th with Paille/Campbell for 4 minutes of even strength icetime and just let him loose on powerplays.
You know, assuming we actually get more than SEVEN SECONDS of power play time tomorrow.
You know, assuming we actually get more than SEVEN SECONDS of power play time tomorrow.
unifiedtheory
Twitter: @ut_pez
I'm late to this because I was so ****ing pissed off last night....
I believe Claude got his ass handed to him last night. They made a good point on CBC (one of the few) that he was chasing matchups all night.
When EXACTLY did Phil Kessel become the greatest, most dangerous goalscorer on Earth? The answer is, never. Why Julien allows a 30 goal floater too dictate every single moment of a game is beyond me but he does and last night it killed us.
- The first line was good but could have been better. I thought Milan Lucic regressed after having about 5 good games in a row. He needs to hit everything that moves. His physical play is the engine of this team.
- We need more offense from Bergeron.
- Seguin and Marchand are SOOOOO close to exploding offensively.
- They need to start burying some chances though.
- Not nearly enough net presence. James Reimer is horse ****. He gives up at least a half dozen FAT rebounds a game, they should be in the back of the net instead of getting cleared out by the Leafs rubbish defense.
- Speaking of rubbish defense, that is what ours was last night.
- Johnny Boychuk is the worst top 4 defenseman in the league.
- Anyone miss Andy Ference? I know I did.
- Zdeno Chara looks very tired.
- The 3rd line was a total gong show. Chris Kelly played his worst game since returning from injury. Jagr looked like a 40+ year old and Rich Peverley was lost. I love Pevvy but he is gone this Summer. He needs a change of scenery.
- Dougie Hamilton looked 19.
- I'm waiting for us to get a call in our favour. We got nothing from the officials last night, who were TOTAL garbage.
- I'd like to see Tuukka save that breakaway on Kessel and he did get his stick on it but I'm not blaming the goaltender. He kept us in the game while our defense looked lost and our forwards floated.
Game 3 is pretty big. This is beginning to feel a lot like 2012 against the Caps. Half assed effort. Not getting any calls. Not burying our chances against a sub par goaltender.
Oh, one more thing. Leaf fans are intolerable. We give Hab fans a lot of grief but at least they can point to success in their past. Leaf fans can point to nothing. they have one playoff win in almost a ****ing decade and they are throwing a parade.
I believe Claude got his ass handed to him last night. They made a good point on CBC (one of the few) that he was chasing matchups all night.
When EXACTLY did Phil Kessel become the greatest, most dangerous goalscorer on Earth? The answer is, never. Why Julien allows a 30 goal floater too dictate every single moment of a game is beyond me but he does and last night it killed us.
- The first line was good but could have been better. I thought Milan Lucic regressed after having about 5 good games in a row. He needs to hit everything that moves. His physical play is the engine of this team.
- We need more offense from Bergeron.
- Seguin and Marchand are SOOOOO close to exploding offensively.
- They need to start burying some chances though.
- Not nearly enough net presence. James Reimer is horse ****. He gives up at least a half dozen FAT rebounds a game, they should be in the back of the net instead of getting cleared out by the Leafs rubbish defense.
- Speaking of rubbish defense, that is what ours was last night.
- Johnny Boychuk is the worst top 4 defenseman in the league.
- Anyone miss Andy Ference? I know I did.
- Zdeno Chara looks very tired.
- The 3rd line was a total gong show. Chris Kelly played his worst game since returning from injury. Jagr looked like a 40+ year old and Rich Peverley was lost. I love Pevvy but he is gone this Summer. He needs a change of scenery.
- Dougie Hamilton looked 19.
- I'm waiting for us to get a call in our favour. We got nothing from the officials last night, who were TOTAL garbage.
- I'd like to see Tuukka save that breakaway on Kessel and he did get his stick on it but I'm not blaming the goaltender. He kept us in the game while our defense looked lost and our forwards floated.
Game 3 is pretty big. This is beginning to feel a lot like 2012 against the Caps. Half assed effort. Not getting any calls. Not burying our chances against a sub par goaltender.
Oh, one more thing. Leaf fans are intolerable. We give Hab fans a lot of grief but at least they can point to success in their past. Leaf fans can point to nothing. they have one playoff win in almost a ****ing decade and they are throwing a parade.
Minny Shinny
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If there are people who question Andy Ference's value to this team after last night, then I'm not sure what you thought of the defensive effort on the ice in game 2.
Also, as unpopular an opinion as it was before game one, Rich Peverley can re-assume his spot in the pressbox next game. Sorry, love ya Pevs, but it's a "what have you done for me lately" world and lately, not only are you not delivering the goods, you're somehow pissing on them before they get to my door.
You get the idea.
I'm over it. Let's go up to Taranna and get that one back.
If there are people who question Andy Ference's value to this team after last night, then I'm not sure what you thought of the defensive effort on the ice in game 2.
Also, as unpopular an opinion as it was before game one, Rich Peverley can re-assume his spot in the pressbox next game. Sorry, love ya Pevs, but it's a "what have you done for me lately" world and lately, not only are you not delivering the goods, you're somehow pissing on them before they get to my door.
You get the idea.
I'm over it. Let's go up to Taranna and get that one back.
unifiedtheory
Twitter: @ut_pez
One more thing...
I think Claude should adjust the lines again.
Lucic - Krejci - Seguin
Marchand - Bergeron - Horton
Soderberg - Kelly - Jagr
Paille - Soup - Daugman
Peverley is cooked in my opinion and Shawn Thornton is not required right now in this series. Toronto went to their speed lineup and it worked, it's time for Claude too counter that. Balance the top 6.
Yes, that third line is pretty awful defensively but it SHOULD be good in the Leaf end of the rink. At some point we should be able to trust our other three lines to defend and take a risk. I'd use the Kelly line (in this configuration) with Chara and Seidenberg as a 5 man unit.
I know none of this matters because the only changes will be Ference: In, Dougie: Out and Daugman or Yeti: In, Peverley: Out.
I think Claude should adjust the lines again.
Lucic - Krejci - Seguin
Marchand - Bergeron - Horton
Soderberg - Kelly - Jagr
Paille - Soup - Daugman
Peverley is cooked in my opinion and Shawn Thornton is not required right now in this series. Toronto went to their speed lineup and it worked, it's time for Claude too counter that. Balance the top 6.
Yes, that third line is pretty awful defensively but it SHOULD be good in the Leaf end of the rink. At some point we should be able to trust our other three lines to defend and take a risk. I'd use the Kelly line (in this configuration) with Chara and Seidenberg as a 5 man unit.
I know none of this matters because the only changes will be Ference: In, Dougie: Out and Daugman or Yeti: In, Peverley: Out.
unifiedtheory
Twitter: @ut_pez
Andy's value in the playoffs will never be questioned by me. He allows us to play the pairings we want.
Pevvy is going to be scratched for sure.
EverettMike
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Johnny Boychuk has been horrendous both games. It is getting lost because of the goals. But going forward his play has to improve.
Chara looked lost. Seidenberg maybe played his worst game ever.
Just brutal.
Chara looked lost. Seidenberg maybe played his worst game ever.
Just brutal.
Yesterday there was a discussion about how few power plays we get versus Montreal. I mentioned that Montreal players know how to draw penalties. In the game this afternoon where Pittsburgh beat NYI on a power play in overtime it was Crosby who knew what he had to do to draw a penalty. The Islanders player was leaning on him and Milbury and Roenick agree it was a cagey move by Crosby to let his left leg slide and he went down. They both said he is one of the strongest skaters yet he went down easily to draw a penalty. This is what Montreal does better than anyone. The Bruins should take note because if they are do face the Pens in the upcoming rounds you can bet that the Pens will look to take advantage of the Bruins aggressiveness and their superior power play to win on the pp. I don't see anyone beating them if they keep getting power play opportunities.. they have scored six pp goals on 13 chances, this is how they will win unless they run into a superior pk unit and /or hot goaltending...
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He's a top 10 scorer two years in a row. He does a lot more than score goals.
Jean_Jacket41
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All true. Still were 1 goal away to tie it late into the game.
That's how brutal our opposition is...
Funny, because I stand by my opinion and at the same time I agree with you.
If Jagr is not played on first 2 lines than his talent is wasted. In his 42, he is not the player who can make players like Kip Miller and Jan Hrdina elite NHL players anymore.
If Jagr stays with 3/4 liners he will try to make the play by himself more and more. If he sends his linemates to good chance they will probably fail to finish. But it will lead to more turnovers as well and more people here who will want to send him to press box
. It is very easy for their D to focus just on one player on this line.Jagr is misused. Period. Chia and Clode should know what are Jagr´s strengths. And if not they can ask someone because everyone knows that it is not defense or fighting guys around the ice.
Funny, because I stand by my opinion and at the same time I agree with you.
If Jagr is not played on first 2 lines than his talent is wasted. In his 42, he is not the player who can make players like Kip Miller and Jan Hrdina elite NHL players anymore.
If Jagr stays with 3/4 liners he will try to make the play by himself more and more. If he sends his linemates to good chance they will probably fail to finish. But it will lead to more turnovers as well and more people here who will want to send him to press box
Jagr is misused. Period. Chia and Clode should know what are Jagr´s strengths. And if not they can ask someone because everyone knows that it is not defense or fighting guys around the ice.
Noone,not even Crosby could make shinola out of horse ****.
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Horrendous enough that he's scored in both games.
I actually don't think the defense was bad in game 1. The whole defense was abysmal in game 2 though.
I don't thin Julien figured out a way to make the pairings work without Ference.
Boychuk is awful with Seids and visa versa (you know Seids had to know his game sucked). Boychuk is good with two people-Chara and Ference. Chemistry often does make a difference.
I don't think I would overhaul all the forward lines.
I would send Pevs back to the press box and bring out Daugavins or the Yeti and flip flop Seguinfor Jagr.
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