Discussion in 'Los Angeles Kings' started by Raccoon Jesus, Mar 1, 2018.
Shouldn't we just be thrilled that he hasn't had any setbacks with his back?
Sure, but giving him a couple games in the NHL this season allows him to experience the pace first hand and expose what he needs to work on. You can bet Clague went back to Ontario after his stint with a list of things to focus on when he's playing higher minutes and more special teams in the AHL. Same will happen with JAD, wouldn't hurt to give Vilardi a little perspective too.
Among top 5 draft picks over the past decade only Strome, Reinhart, Dal Colle, Juolevi and Makar did not make the NHL by their draft+1 season. Makar is a defenseman, who typically take a bit longer and Strome has had a resurgence lately, but spent most of his career so far as a 20-30 point player. The rest are pretty close to being busts. It would be troublesome if Turcotte is only just competing for a roster spot in his draft +2 season.
Similar things could be said for Kupari/Fagemo/Kaliyev. If your high end offensive prospects aren't cracking the lineup until they are 21+ then they are not likely to become good top 6 forwards. The days of the Kenny Holland over-marinating of prospects are kind of long gone. Among the current top 50 scorers in the league, only 4 players weren't in the NHL by their age 20 season and there are none in the top 25.
Probably not a great example to use...Clague is pointless and a -11 (not a typo) in the three games he has played since being sent back to Ontario.
I dunno about that, he’s a little different in that he’s playing college. If he were in the OHL like most of the other guys (Makar kind of a weird path), he’d be here next year. I have no doubt he could hold a roster spot right now, we’re talking about what’s best for a guy who wants to play an aggressive game.
He’s talking about process, i.e. now that you’ve seen the NHL level, what do you need to focus on to prep for that?
But not at all to see you pop out of the weeds to trash a Kings prospect, how conveniently opportunistic for you.
The closest example where he's been compared to is Jonathan Toews. Toews, a 3rd overall, spent two years after being drafted in the NCAA. He also just had 2 assists in his D+1 WJC. Despite his scoring drought, he is very close to Toews' D+1 year in the NCAA.
Not saying he will be Toews, but looking back a decade is faulty if you omit a stylistic comparable.
I agree that he needs to be where he can develop best. I personally don't think going back to college is unquestionably the best place for development, I think the AHL offers some things that college doesn't. The ability to focus more on hockey development, adapt to a longer schedule, have more time with the Kings training staff, etc and ultimately Blake and him will decide what is best.
My point was that development has changed in the past 15 years, the idea of over marinating prospects being the best method doesn't really seem to be the case. If your top prospects aren't getting NHL experience by their age 20 season they aren't likely to develop into a high end offensive players.
Currently out of the top 50 scorers in the NHL only Wheeler, Kuznetsov, Guentzel and Rust weren't in the NHL during their age 20 season. Wheeler refused to sign with the Yotes and waited until he was a free agent and Kuznetsov was in the KHL at 17. That leaves Rust and Guentzel as the only guys in the top 50 who took longer to develop.
I really only went back a decade for convenience sake.
As for Toews, I believe Toews only went back to college for one year after being drafted. He was drafted out of North Dakota, went back to school for that season and made the Hawks in his D+1 season. He started his NHL career in his age 19 season.
Correct. Toews was drafted in 2006, went back to North Dakota and then entered the NHL with Kane in 2007. Toews played 2 years at North Dakota but his freshman year was as a 17 year old before his draft year.
Thank you for the insight
Ugh, long day. I knew better, too.
Lol and just to show what a long day it was, I quoted the wrong post about Toews being in the NCAA in his D+2 season.
Long story short, I don't think he has to go back to NCAA, but I don't think it's as alarming.
Haha, I've been there
Right, "has to" vs. "be better if." Also keeping in mind a lot of those (maybe not a lot) top picks weren't only top talents that COULD play, they were rushed due to team situations as well.
Funny that some of you just mentioned Vilardi...
After being sidelined for the vast majority of the last two seasons with a pretty serious back injury, Los Angeles Kings center prospect Gabe Vilardi returned to the ice back in November 2019 and we haven’t heard much since.
So how is he doing in his return to hockey? What lies ahead? What challenges lie ahead for him? Is there a projection for what he might become or when he might join the Kings?
Get all the answers here...
LA Kings: So What’s Up With That Vilardi Guy?
Nice read, thanks Gann. I always enjoy reading what Vilardi thinks about his situation. He has a good honest outlook and a great attitude in general. He seems to be living in the moment and enjoying himself, which is what will get the best results.
The things Clague needs to work on is quite a list.
Think she is flipping us off now.
Gabe Vilardi with an elite play to set up the Reign's third goal. His skating is rapidly improving as well. 2 assists tonight
The f*cking Condors were playing dirty as shit and Vilardi took a decent cheap shot. I liked how the Reign all stood up for eachother, especially Frk.
Man I love it. Sick play, and every one of those forwards was spicy as hell in the scrum. Love to see it.
More compete down there than on the big club lol
That was a sick play. Good scrum, these kids are tough. Loved how Grundy just walked that guy down and never backed down.
Mayor tweeted that Blake and McLellan were in attendance....cool. Hope moves start happening.
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