Free Agents and Trade Thread - Offseason on Hold Edition

[ChazzMichaelMichaels]

Brings up an interesting scenario.

If we somehow got #1, do we just draft Lafreniere and have an even more insane forward core?

Do we simply trade down to say #3, in order to draft Drysdale and get other pick/prospect/player as well?

Or do we keep Laffy and trade say, Marner, for a d-man

Definitely draft Laf and take advantage of that ELC. I think drafting him would mean keeping Marner/Nylander even more likely cause it gives you quality depth without having to move them which would be the whole idea of moving one of them. Also gives you another quality body so you can move a Johnsson/Kapanen, etc for defensive help and not feel any loss up front.

After that ELC though who the heck knows what would happen.

 

[Cor]

Can we think about Winning the Cup. The odds is probably better for the Leafs to win the Cup than getting 1st overall

1. It’s not mutually exclusive. We can both think about the playoffs in the playoff theory thread and uh, speculate about moves in the trade and free agency speculation thread lol

2. The odds are pretty even. Extremely low. Before the pause we were about 4.5% chance at winning the cup. In the presser yesterday, they outlined that the 8 teams eliminated from the play-in round have about 3.5% of one of the team positions winning the lottery.


So not as different as we’d like to think.

 

[Gabriel426]

1. It’s not mutually exclusive. We can both think about the playoffs in the playoff theory thread and uh, speculate about moves in the trade and free agency speculation thread lol

2. The odds are pretty even. Extremely low. Before the pause we were about 4.5% chance at winning the cup. In the presser yesterday, they outlined that the 8 teams eliminated from the play-in round have about 3.5% of one of the team positions winning the lottery.


So not as different as we’d like to think.

But one option the Leafs get full control of their destiny while the other is pretty much luck.

 

[Cor]

But one option the Leafs get full control of their destiny while the other is pretty much luck.

One could argue you need plenty of luck to win the cup.

No one is wanting to lose to Columbus. In fact, as I said in the series thread, there should be no reason to lose the series. Can’t blame not having home ice. Can’t blame the refs getting influenced by fans, etc.

This is all fun speculation in a what if situation. I’m sorry that is apparently an issue

 

[TML1967]

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Brings up an interesting scenario.

If we somehow got #1, do we just draft Lafreniere and have an even more insane forward core?

Do we simply trade down to say #3, in order to draft Drysdale and get other pick/prospect/player as well?

Or do we keep Laffy and trade say, Marner, for a d-man

Wonder what kind of package any team could get for moving down from 1-3/4 for Drysdale (my top 3 are AL, QB and Stutzle)

 

[Fogelhund]

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Wonder what kind of package any team could get for moving down from 1-3/4 for Drysdale (my top 3 are AL, QB and Stutzle)

My guess is that you'd get more moving Marner for a RHD that is capable now, and keeping 1st overall for Laf, then you would moving the 1st overall.

 

[TML1967]

My guess is that you'd get more moving Marner for a RHD that is capable now, and keeping 1st overall for Laf, then you would moving the 1st overall.

For sure, but you also loose Marner in that scenario.
So is RHD + Laf worth more than Marner+Drysdale+ whatever you get moving down the 2 or 3 spots.

Last time Leafs moved UP in the top 10, they went from 7 to 5 and they paid a 2nd and a 3rd. (Scheen and Wilson).

The Islanders than flipped #7 for #9 and got an additional 2nd.

Using that as the price, is going from 1 to 3, nd than 3 to 5 worth adding two 2nds and a 3rd?

Leafs could potentially still add Drysdale depending on how people rank Lafreniere, Byfield, Raymond, Stutzle, Rosi, Drysdale.

 

[jaric1862]

Going to be hard for the Leafs to improve their defence if next year is a flat cap. If thats the case though, I think two of Johnsson/Kapanen/Mikeheyev/Dermott will have to go... with that being said I think the team looks similar to this:

Hyman-Matthews-Marner
Barabanov-Tavares-Nylander
Robertson-Kerfoot-Kapanen
Engvall-Gauthier-Spezza

Rielly-Demelo
Muzzin-Holl
Lehtonen-Dermott

Andersen-Campbell

Extra:
Rosen/Marincin

 

[Cor]

Chances are if we make an addition on defense, it’s someone we haven’t thought about, and probably via trade.

 

[jaric1862]

Weegar would be another great addition to the Blueline

 

[Gabriel426]

One could argue you need plenty of luck to win the cup.

No one is wanting to lose to Columbus. In fact, as I said in the series thread, there should be no reason to lose the series. Can’t blame not having home ice. Can’t blame the refs getting influenced by fans, etc.

This is all fun speculation in a what if situation. I’m sorry that is apparently an issue

Dude, I am not being serious at all.

 

[Fogelhund]

For sure, but you also loose Marner in that scenario.
So is RHD + Laf worth more than Marner+Drysdale+ whatever you get moving down the 2 or 3 spots.

Last time Leafs moved UP in the top 10, they went from 7 to 5 and they paid a 2nd and a 3rd. (Scheen and Wilson).

The Islanders than flipped #7 for #9 and got an additional 2nd.

Using that as the price, is going from 1 to 3, nd than 3 to 5 worth adding two 2nds and a 3rd?

Leafs could potentially still add Drysdale depending on how people rank Lafreniere, Byfield, Raymond, Stutzle, Rosi, Drysdale.

For one thing... that RHD, and Laf step into your lineup right away, and are likely both very productive... that has value to a win now team. Also, it opens up a great deal of cap, so you probably have room to sign a Pietrangelo, that you wouldn't without moving Marner. Drysdale might become a fine RHD, but it's going to take a few years in all probability.... In a complete fantasy world, I keep #1, trade Marner to Dallas, and end up with the following roster. I think it ends up being a pretty solid roster... move players around the lines if you don't like this setup.

Sign Pietrangelo @ $9 mil
Trade Marner for Klingberg, Robertson, Harley, 1st... (Proposed by Dallas fans) Maybe we wouldn't get that much... so drop Robertson, it's not like we'd have a shortage of LW anyway...
Trade Johnsson, Dermott, Kerfoot, Dallas #1 pick for Zacha, 1st (Phoenix), 2021 2nd (Islanders)
Sign Spezza ($750k), Goat ($750k), Clifford ($1.25), Mikheyev ($2)

Lafreniere - Matthews - Nylander
Mikheyev - Tavares - Hyman
Barbanov - Zacha - Kapanen
Clifford - Spezza - Engvall - Goat - Korshkov

Rielly Pietrangelo
Muzzin Klingberg
Sandin Holl
Lehtonen

So the NJ (Phoenix) pick is slated at #10.... 2020 NHL Mock Draft | 2020 NHL Draft | NHL Draft Says we get Cole Perfetti....

 

[Knies iT]

For one thing... that RHD, and Laf step into your lineup right away, and are likely both very productive... that has value to a win now team. Also, it opens up a great deal of cap, so you probably have room to sign a Pietrangelo, that you wouldn't without moving Marner. Drysdale might become a fine RHD, but it's going to take a few years in all probability.... In a complete fantasy world, I keep #1, trade Marner to Dallas, and end up with the following roster. I think it ends up being a pretty solid roster... move players around the lines if you don't like this setup.

Sign Pietrangelo @ $9 mil
Trade Marner for Klingberg, Robertson, Harley, 1st... (Proposed by Dallas fans) Maybe we wouldn't get that much... so drop Robertson, it's not like we'd have a shortage of LW anyway...
Trade Johnsson, Dermott, Kerfoot, Dallas #1 pick for Zacha, 1st (Phoenix), 2021 2nd (Islanders)
Sign Spezza ($750k), Goat ($750k), Clifford ($1.25), Mikheyev ($2)

Lafreniere - Matthews - Nylander
Mikheyev - Tavares - Hyman
Barbanov - Zacha - Kapanen
Clifford - Spezza - Engvall - Goat - Korshkov

Rielly Pietrangelo
Muzzin Klingberg
Sandin Holl
Lehtonen

So the NJ (Phoenix) pick is slated at #10.... 2020 NHL Mock Draft | 2020 NHL Draft | NHL Draft Says we get Cole Perfetti....

“Pretty solid roster” well you have four top pairing defenseman and three 1st overall picks so I would hope.

Management won’t move Marner, he’s too ingratiated in the city and they seem to view him on a different level than Nylander.

If you win the lottery, I’d draft Lafreniere 1OA and trade Nylander for a 1-2D like Ekblad. No other moves necessary.

 

[Fogelhund]

“Pretty solid roster” well you have four top pairing defenseman and three 1st overall picks so I would hope.

Management won’t move Marner, he’s too ingratiated in the city and they seem to view him on a different level than Nylander.

If you win the lottery, I’d draft Lafreniere 1OA and trade Nylander for a 1-2D like Ekblad. No other moves necessary.

Management said publicly that they wouldn't move Nylander. That's never been said about Marner.

 

[Mickey Marner]

Brings up an interesting scenario.

If we somehow got #1, do we just draft Lafreniere and have an even more insane forward core?

Do we simply trade down to say #3, in order to draft Drysdale and get other pick/prospect/player as well?

Or do we keep Laffy and trade say, Marner, for a d-man

Draft Lafreniere and trade Marner/Nylander/Tavares for defense. Lafreniere will be the best bang-for-your-buck player in the league over the course of his contract. And our LW is shit even if we could use a RD more.

 

[Menzinger]

Management said publicly that they wouldn't move Nylander. That's never been said about Marner.

The thing too is that if they think the guy taken at 1st overall will be worth 9-11 mil in 3 years post ELC, they couldnt keep 4 players making that much money. One of the 3 current 10+ mil guys would need to go to make longer term room.

Hypothetically speaking

 

[Legion34]

The thing too is that if they think the guy taken at 1st overall will be worth 9-11 mil in 3 years post ELC, they couldnt keep 4 players making that much money. One of the 3 current 10+ mil guys would need to go to make longer term room.

Hypothetically speaking

not really.
Tavares has 5 years left.
If we did a 2 year bridge they could take JT money.

 

[Legion34]

Management said publicly that they wouldn't move Nylander. That's never been said about Marner.

Nylander said that. Dubas Said “I’m not in the business of trading skill”. And clarified that one of willy concerns was he would sign just to be traded.

Willy could easily be traded

 

[meefer]

He was a 27th overall pick and more was expected from him. Some have written him off.

So to reclaim something, means to take something that others may not decide has the value it once did and therefore it is available.

A project is the principle of having a plan for something in order to improve or develop something.

I thank you for the definition of reclaim, unnecessary as it was , my question was directed towards the age of 22. I can accept that he hasn't met expectations, but to writing him off - not suggesting you are - seems a tad hasty to me. I suppose I'm just haggling over the use of the word 'reclamation'. I've got to get out more often.

 

[Fogelhund]

The thing too is that if they think the guy taken at 1st overall will be worth 9-11 mil in 3 years post ELC, they couldnt keep 4 players making that much money. One of the 3 current 10+ mil guys would need to go to make longer term room.

Hypothetically speaking

and if he was worth 9-11 mil in current cap space value, and someone needed to be moved, then we'd get good value from such a trade.

 

[Gabriel426]

Management said publicly that they wouldn't move Nylander. That's never been said about Marner.

If Leafs end up with 1st overall pick. I would call LA and ask for 50% retention on Doughty, their 1st for next year(top 10 protected) and our 3rd round pick for this year back.
Pretty much adding a true #1 Dman for 5.5mil with the expense of AL.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Pretty much adding a true #1 Dman

2020 Doughty is not a #1 defenseman, or worth anywhere close to Lafreniere.

 

[Gabriel426]

2020 Doughty is not a #1 defenseman, or worth anywhere close to Lafreniere.

I think he just lost motivation to play due to the Kings being crap.

 

[LeafsNation75]

If Leafs end up with 1st overall pick. I would call LA and ask for 50% retention on Doughty, their 1st for next year(top 10 protected) and our 3rd round pick for this year back.
Pretty much adding a true #1 Dman for 5.5mil with the expense of AL.

2003 Was the last time when the 1st overall pick was traded, so we know that it's something which rarely happens these days. The question is Lafreniere worth giving up the 1st pick? I know that he's not in the same category the way Auston Matthews was in 2016 and maybe he turns out to be not as good like Nail Yakupov.

Personally speaking I would be shocked if Toronto got the 1st pick in 2020 and that can only happen if they lose the play in series against Columbus. Plus since their pick is top 10 protected the only way they keep it is if they won the 1st, 2nd or 3rd pick.

 

[stickty111]

I think he just lost motivation to play due to the Kings being crap.

He didn't have to resign there but he did. I don't think losing motivation is a good excuse in this situation.