GDT: Free Agent Frenzy 2022

[Ulysses31]

i think if bert bets on himself, stays healthy he could potentially be nearly a PPG and could command as much as 7x7 as a Ufa, i dont think the DRW will offer him anywhere near that, im guessing best red wings will offer will be about 5 years x 7ish aav, or perhaps more years for less aav

 

[Gniwder]

i think if bert bets on himself, stays healthy he could potentially be nearly a PPG and could command as much as 7x7 as a Ufa, i dont think the DRW will offer him anywhere near that, im guessing best red wings will offer will be about 5 years x 7ish aav, or perhaps more years for less aav

Keep in mind the list of UFAs next offseason that outscored Bert is really short, so either Stevie forks out the money to Larkin/Bert or else he has to go hard after Pastrnak/Bunting. The other guys are too old except MacK who's probably staying in Colorado, and this team doesn't have any prospects that can replace either player.

1. J.T. Miller	VAN	30	LW, C	Left	80	32	67	99	1.24	15	206	0.16	21:04	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$5,250,000	$4,500,000
2. Patrick Kane	CHI	34	RW	Left	78	26	66	92	1.18	-19	287	0.09	21:49	-	-	-	-	-	NMC	UFA	$10,500,000	$6,900,000
3. Nathan MacKinnon	COL	27	C, RW	Right	65	32	56	88	1.35	22	299	0.11	21:03	-	-	-	-	-	M-NTC	UFA	$6,300,000	$6,850,000
4. Vladimir Tarasenko	STL	31	RW	Left	75	34	48	82	1.09	7	230	0.15	16:54	-	-	-	-	-	NTC	UFA	$7,500,000	$5,500,000
5. Joe Pavelski	DAL	38	RW, C	Right	82	27	54	81	0.99	11	216	0.13	18:28	-	-	-	-	-	NMC	UFA	$5,500,000	$5,500,000
6. David Pastrnak	BOS	27	RW	Right	72	40	37	77	1.07	13	312	0.13	18:36	-	-	-	-	-	M-NTC, NMC	UFA	$6,666,667	$6,400,000
7. Dylan Larkin	DET	26	C	Left	71	31	38	69	0.97	-18	212	0.15	19:39	-	-	-	-	-	NTC	UFA	$6,100,000	$5,250,000
8. Patrice Bergeron	BOS	37	C	Right	73	25	40	65	0.89	26	293	0.09	18:10	-	-	-	-	-	NMC	UFA	$2,500,000	$2,500,000
9. Michael Bunting	TOR	27	LW	Left	79	23	40	63	0.80	27	175	0.13	15:32	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$950,000	$1,150,000

 

[jaster]

What message do you want to send to the team? Stevie's ego being more important than winning?

Players come and go, if you're in a playoff spot you don't sell. The team has plenty of cap space to find a replacement in free agency if Bert leaves.

Best scenarios is a hockey trade, a roster player plus a pick for Bert, kinda like the Mantha deal.

Not sure what you mean about Stevie's ego. Him trading Bertuzzi in the above scenario would be all about winning. That's the message. No ego involved. 'If you want to force my hand, I'm going to make the move that is healthiest for the team,' which in the hypothetical above is to trade Bertuzzi.

Just because you could easily replace Bert in free agency (which I do not believe is true), doesn't mean you choose not acquiring an asset over acquiring an asset. It's still bad asset management.

But I agree about a potential Bert trade being like the Mantha trade as best-case.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Keep in mind the list of UFAs next offseason that outscored Bert is really short, so either Stevie forks out the money to Larkin/Bert or else he has to go hard after Pastrnak/Bunting. The other guys are too old except MacK who's probably staying in Colorado, and this team doesn't have any prospects that can replace either player.

1. J.T. Miller	VAN	30	LW, C	Left	80	32	67	99	1.24	15	206	0.16	21:04	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$5,250,000	$4,500,000
2. Patrick Kane	CHI	34	RW	Left	78	26	66	92	1.18	-19	287	0.09	21:49	-	-	-	-	-	NMC	UFA	$10,500,000	$6,900,000
3. Nathan MacKinnon	COL	27	C, RW	Right	65	32	56	88	1.35	22	299	0.11	21:03	-	-	-	-	-	M-NTC	UFA	$6,300,000	$6,850,000
4. Vladimir Tarasenko	STL	31	RW	Left	75	34	48	82	1.09	7	230	0.15	16:54	-	-	-	-	-	NTC	UFA	$7,500,000	$5,500,000
5. Joe Pavelski	DAL	38	RW, C	Right	82	27	54	81	0.99	11	216	0.13	18:28	-	-	-	-	-	NMC	UFA	$5,500,000	$5,500,000
6. David Pastrnak	BOS	27	RW	Right	72	40	37	77	1.07	13	312	0.13	18:36	-	-	-	-	-	M-NTC, NMC	UFA	$6,666,667	$6,400,000
7. Dylan Larkin	DET	26	C	Left	71	31	38	69	0.97	-18	212	0.15	19:39	-	-	-	-	-	NTC	UFA	$6,100,000	$5,250,000
8. Patrice Bergeron	BOS	37	C	Right	73	25	40	65	0.89	26	293	0.09	18:10	-	-	-	-	-	NMC	UFA	$2,500,000	$2,500,000
9. Michael Bunting	TOR	27	LW	Left	79	23	40	63	0.80	27	175	0.13	15:32	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$950,000	$1,150,000

No more than 3 of those names will actually make it to free agency.

 

[Gniwder]

No more than 3 of those names will actually make it to free agency.

I think these 4 will:
- One of Horvat/Miller because VAN doesn't have enough cap space
- Pastrnak because he knows BOS needs a rebuild
- Tank because he wanted to be traded anyways, he's not happy with the way he was treated
- Bunting, cap space

Bergeron reties or takes a 1 yr contract, same with Pavelski.

But in any case, my point was that Bert/Larkin have a lot of leverage because of the lack of quality forwards in next years free agency, so you're actually strengthening my argument. Anyone who thinks either is going to sign for a big discount is dreaming,

 

[Henkka]

Sooner or later, both are signed with a discount. Just like all UFAs this summer.

There's no market and no cap space at contenders. Only bad teams can offer, why go to bad teams, when Wings is the shiny and rising one?

 

[RRhoads]

Cap space ran out quickly for teams this off season. Just ask Kadri and Klingberg.

 

[Gniwder]

Cap space ran out quickly for teams this off season. Just ask Kadri and Klingberg.

Both were overrating themselves, I said before free agency they weren't going to get what people here thought their ask was. Klinberg can't defend, and most people think Kadri is a one year wonder.

The top end players got their money, Uber-dough, Tkachuk, Johnny Hockey, Laine, Sergachev, Forsberg, Fiala, Hertl, etc. All of them close to or above $8M. That is what Larkin and Bert will be aiming for, anything below $8M is a "discount".

As Henkka mentioned though, they're both probably tired of playing for a cellar team, let's hope that keeps them both in Detroit.

 

[redwings8831]

 

[lhsgolf19]

Monahan also being traded

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Monahan also being traded

All those people claiming he was going to NYI are going to have a freak out.

Also CGY was really the only destination he could have gone for more than a couple of seasons.

That team turned Gaudreau and Tkachuk into Huberdeau, Kadri and Weegar. I don’t think they got worse.

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

Didn't sportsnet fire Don Cherry? Strange him tweeting their link? ( I doubt he runs the account)

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

Btw now that they got Kadri i wouldn't mind taking a flier on Monahan for pennies on the dollar...

 

[redwings8831]

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Btw now that they got Kadri i wouldn't mind taking a flier on Monahan for pennies on the dollar...

No. Absolutely not. He's going to LTIRetire, dude. His hips are completely shot.

 

[evolutionbaby]

No. Absolutely not. He's going to LTIRetire, dude. His hips are completely shot.

I'd do that for a first.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I'd do that for a first.

Well, they added a 1st to send him to Montreal. I'd have put him on LTIR for that first for sure. I would not want Monahan as a roster player.

 

[Gniwder]

Well, they added a 1st to send him to Montreal. I'd have put him on LTIR for that first for sure. I would not want Monahan as a roster player.

10 team NTC, who knows id the Wings were on that list or not.

Definitely worth a first if insurance covers his injury. He'll be LTIR for at least half the season, and in the press box or AHL for the other half.

Feel sorry for his injuries, but at least he's set for life financially.

 

[jaster]

I'd do that for a first.

Yeah, I'd have been hip to that.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Yeah, I'd have been hip to that.

 

[Gniwder]

Yeah, I'd have been hip to that.

For the record, both hips, lol.

 

[Gniwder]

FYI - Conditional 1st for the Monahan dump

It can be 2024, 2025, or 2026 CAL or FLA's pick depending on what happens. Really convoluted conditions:

Canadiens acquire Sean Monahan from Flames | Montréal Canadiens

A conditional first-round pick has also been acquired from Calgary in exchange for future considerations

www.nhl.com

I would still do it, but at that point you're picking a kid that's not gonna hit his prime until the next decade, lol.

 

[evolutionbaby]

A first to stash a guy is worth it. This would not have changed our trajectory for the worse in any way.

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

FYI - Conditional 1st for the Monahan dump

It can be 2024, 2025, or 2026 CAL or FLA's pick depending on what happens. Really convoluted conditions:

Canadiens acquire Sean Monahan from Flames | Montréal Canadiens

A conditional first-round pick has also been acquired from Calgary in exchange for future considerations

www.nhl.com

I would still do it, but at that point you're picking a kid that's not gonna hit his prime until the next decade, lol.

To eat one year on a deal. How do we lose? Even if Monahan plays zero games it's a free 1st round pick. I wish we got him today.

 

[Gniwder]

To eat one year on a deal. How do we lose? Even if Monahan plays zero games it's a free 1st round pick. I wish we got him today.

It's only a problem if he wants to play because his salary is $6M. It's a really good deal if he plays zero games, but IIRC the team still has to pay 20% even with insurance. $1.2M for a 1st is a bargain.