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[Shady Machine]

I am confident/hopeful that Dupuis won't start the season.

I don't really get this unless you are worried about him being with Sid. Dupuis is overpaid and on the downside of his career, but if healthy he is a very good 3rd liner. If cap space wasn't an issue, I'd keep him around.

 

[penguins2946*]

I am confident/hopeful that Dupuis won't start the season.

If Dupuis doesn't start the season, it lets another winger establish themself in the top-6 and it gives us salary relief. That's good.

 

[Fordy]

I don't really get this unless you are worried about him being with Sid. Dupuis is overpaid and on the downside of his career, but if healthy he is a very good 3rd liner. If cap space wasn't an issue, I'd keep him around.

Except cap space is an issue.

sooo

I also think/hope that he won't be healthy or at all close to where he was pre injury

sooo

 

[mpp9]

Except cap space is an issue.

sooo

So they're going to hold Dupuis out b/c you don't like him?

 

[Jaded-Fan]

Except cap space is an issue.

sooo

I also think/hope that he won't be healthy or at all close to where he was pre injury

sooo

For this year alone. They are going to have at least $35 million, or close to that, in cap space to work with next year as a lot of contracts expire and one would assume the cap goes up.

 

[Saltyseabass]

What would you guys think about duper, scuds, Adams, and 2015 1st for Chris Stewart? Buffalo seems to be collecting 1st round picks for "cap dumps" but is that too much salary heading to Buffalo for them to accept? That's a big if that Duper and Scuds waive to go there

 

[DawgPens]

What would you guys think about duper, scuds, Adams, and 2015 1st for Chris Stewart? Buffalo seems to be collecting 1st round picks for "cap dumps" but is that too much salary heading to Buffalo for them to accept? That's a big if that Duper and Scuds waive to go there

You want to give up a 2015 first for Stewart?!?

I don't like Adams either, but there's only one year left in that contract, and the amount is (relatively) small. (I know, I know, we're up against the cap, etc.) I think JR will just ride that out.

As for Dupuis and Scuderi, who knows how they will do under the new coaches? I would be looking for ways to dump those contracts, and I think creative solutions can be found, but I don't think we should panic either.

 

[Ogrezilla]

With this team?

Chances are great that when one player comes back another two will be injured.

The most man games lost in the NHL over the last four or five years.

I blame Disco. The curse is lifted.

 

[DawgPens]

I blame Disco. The curse is lifted.

Not quite. Adams is still here ... But the future looks brighter!

 

[Ogrezilla]

Not quite. Adams is still here ... But the future looks brighter!

you're right, he's made a deal to keep himself healthy so long as he sacrifices the health of the rest of the team.

 

[Shockmaster]

http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2014/07/30/spaling-requests-2-85-million-from-pens-who-counter-with-1-65-million/

lolwut. Spaling thinks he's worth $2.85mil/yr?

 

[AjaxTelamon]

http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2014/07/30/spaling-requests-2-85-million-from-pens-who-counter-with-1-65-million/

lolwut. Spaling thinks he's worth $2.85mil/yr?

Not even Spaling's agent thinks he's worth 2.85m a year, but this is what both sides do in arbitration hearings.

 

[mpp9]

So if we exceed the salary cap, we can do so by the amount of Maatta's caphit being on LTIR, correct?

Forgot about that to be honest. In that case, we have plenty of leeway as long as JR is willing to move a player when Maatta returns.

 

[wej20]

http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2014/07/30/spaling-requests-2-85-million-from-pens-who-counter-with-1-65-million/

lolwut. Spaling thinks he's worth $2.85mil/yr?

I imagine Spaling and his agent are looking for a figure around 2.25 so putting a request at that level would be terrible negotiating.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

I think he's a solid player to have in your bottom six. He's young, trending upwards, can play all three forward positions and is a RFA for two more years.

We don't even know what his contract is going to be yet. No legitimate source has said anything concrete about his contract demands. So we'll see in the next couple days.

Rumor is his camp asked for $2.85 million per year. I don't think the arbitrator's going to give him that, but that's getting pretty pricey for a 3rd/4th line tweener with exactly one decent season under his belt.

 

[Stad]

Yeah, 2.25 sounds good and most likely what he'll get. No chance in hell he is getting 2.85.

 

[mpp9]

Rumor is his camp asked for $2.85 million per year. I don't think the arbitrator's going to give him that, but that's getting pretty pricey for a 3rd/4th line tweener with exactly one decent season under his belt.

He won't get that. So it doesn't matter.

 

[Shady Machine]

Rumor is his camp asked for $2.85 million per year. I don't think the arbitrator's going to give him that, but that's getting pretty pricey for a 3rd/4th line tweener with exactly one decent season under his belt.

He won't get that and he's a 3rd liner. Not a 3rd/4th tweener.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

He won't get that and he's a 3rd liner. Not a 3rd/4th tweener.

His offensive numbers look more like a tweener's to me. IMO, what separates a 3rd liner from a 4th liner is a 3rd liner also brings decent amount of offense to the table on a consistent, year to year basis. You can pencil them in each season in the 10-15 goal, 30+ point range, sort of thing.

IMO, Spaling still has to do that on more than one occasion to put himself in the Brandon Sutter/Matt Cooke category (guys who regularly score near 15 goals and 30 points), rather than put himself with guys like Gregory Campbell (someone who might surpass 10 goals in a season, but not every season).

 

[Being Gene Malkovich]

I imagine Spaling and his agent are looking for a figure around 2.25 so putting a bid in a request at that level would be terrible negotiating.

No, they are looking for a figure at $2.85 million. They didn't know what the Pens offered so they are thinking bigger and we are thinking lower. It's how these things work. I think they will settle on $2.4 because WE traded for him knowing that he could elect to go to arbitration.

 

[mpp9]

His offensive numbers look more like a tweener's to me. IMO, what separates a 3rd liner from a 4th liner is a 3rd liner also brings decent amount of offense to the table on a consistent, year to year basis. You can pencil them in each season in the 10-15 goal, 30+ point range, sort of thing.

IMO, Spaling still has to do that on more than one occasion to put himself in the Brandon Sutter/Matt Cooke category (guys who regularly score near 15 goals and 30 points), rather than put himself with guys like Gregory Campbell (someone who might surpass 10 goals in a season, but not every season).

Which is why most are advocating around 2 mil. High end 4th liners like Campbell make 1.6. Legit third liners like Cooke make 2.5. Ideally right at 2 or a little under since he's a RFA.

I think most want a one year deal to see what kind of player he is here. And from what I've read, management wants the same.

 

[Shady Machine]

No, they are looking for a figure at $2.85 million. They didn't know what the Pens offered so they are thinking bigger and we are thinking lower. It's how these things work. I think they will settle on $2.4 because WE traded for him knowing that he could elect to go to arbitration.

Of course they are looking for 2.85. If they thought it was remotely reasonable, I'm sure they'd look for 3.5. Basically you pick what you are satisfied settling at and then add half a million or more.

 

[wej20]

No, they are looking for a figure at $2.85 million. They didn't know what the Pens offered so they are thinking bigger and we are thinking lower. It's how these things work. I think they will settle on $2.4 because WE traded for him knowing that he could elect to go to arbitration.

Spaling and his agent will have decided what they'd be happy with and have put in a figure which they think will most likely help them get that figure on the arbiter. Dwight King just signed for 3 years at 1.95 million, wonder if that is too late for the Pens to use.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Which is why most are advocating around 2 mil. High end 4th liners like Campbell make 1.6. Legit third liners like Cooke make 2.5. Ideally right at 2 or a little under since he's a RFA.

That's kind of what I've been arguing all along. I was disputing him being worth $2.5 million, and some were arguing they were fine with that total.

If Spaling gets in the $1.6 to $1.8 million range, I don't have a big issue with it. But that wasn't the discussion. It was based on my original statement of "I can't believe people are fine with the Pens paying Spaling $2.5 million per year".

 

[Coach Travis]

Holy ****! I was penciling Spaling in at $1.8M. What the **** is with this guy? Not the best way to endear yourself to your new team.