Former Canucks Thread (Dan Hamhuis retires)

[Horse McHindu]

Josh Leivo is your argument? If a guy like him is important to your team its fairly obvious the GM did a bad job building it. Leivo is a dime a dozen player who has a few hot runs here and there before disappearing again. Players like this only hold value while on a cheap contract and as bad as it sounds, his injury might be a blessing in disguise for the Canucks, otherwise Benning may have signed him to 4x4 deal or so (he may still).

Josh Levio has good underlying numbers and is an advanced stats darling. How's that for an ironic twist? *I* am now defending the guy with good underlying numbers, lol. Your comments about Benning/Levio is speculative conjecture. Tyler Motte also gives his regards, and hopes Vanek is enjoying the party that you alluded to earlier.

 

[Melvin]

Markus Granlund cleared waivers.

Shocked nobody wanted a versatile 20 goal scorer.

 

[MS]

It will never not be funny to me that the canucks protected him in the expansion draft.

It isn't that they protected him (sometimes bad teams just have nobody else to protect), it's that they actually thought they had a huge protection issue because they had too many good players including Granlund.

Meanwhile, guys like Marchessault and Reilly Smith were literally being given away.

 

[Melvin]

It isn't that they protected him (sometimes bad teams just have nobody else to protect), it's that they actually thought they had a huge protection issue because they had too many good players including Granlund.

Meanwhile, guys like Marchessault and Reilly Smith were literally being given away.

I remember saying at the time that if they just protected Horvat and left all other forwards exposed they'd be fine.

 

[Hit the post]

CDC seem to want to build a shrine to the legendary player that was Granlund.

 

[timw33]

CDC seem to want to build a shrine to the legendary player that was Granlund.

It took the Oilers 3 months to waive and demote Granlund. He played for the Canucks for 3 damn years.

 

[Melvin]

It took the Oilers 3 months to waive and demote Granlund. He played for the Canucks for 3 damn years.

It's funny how quickly these players wear out their welcome with other teams after wasting 100 games of our time.

Gudbranson - took the penguins 26 games to realized he sucked. Sbisa - 30 games in Vegas. Vey, Bartkowski, etc.

So many players used as everyday NHLers here for a long stretch of time and then they go to another team and the other team is like "wtf."

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

It took the Oilers 3 months to waive and demote Granlund. He played for the Canucks for 3 damn years.

Ive never quite understood why Granlund took so much heat here. He was a replacement level player, to be sure - and one that Green probably played a bit too much. But he was compensated at a reasonable level (in comparison to some of the brutal contracts that were given out), and served his purpose as a placeholder on the roster until better players were brought in to fill the role.

He seemed liked and respected by his teammates, too. Hopefully he’s able to acquit himself well in the AHL and earn another shot with the Oilers.

 

[4Twenty]

Ive never quite understood why Granlund took so much heat here. He was a replacement level player, to be sure - and one that Green probably played a bit too much. But he was compensated at a reasonable level (in comparison to some of the brutal contracts that were given out), and served his purpose as a placeholder on the roster until better players were brought in to fill the role.

He seemed liked and respected by his teammates, too. Hopefully he’s able to acquit himself well in the AHL and earn another shot with the Oilers.

1. He symbolized the flawed thinking of the age gap process based on his trade.

2. Given an incredible amount of opportunity and got a raise every season for degrading play.

3. was here for 3 years and given borderline top 6 usage the entire time/bled goals yet you had people trying to use this trade as a means to dunk on the Benning haters. That he’s now washed into the AHL on a team that has piss poor depth at forward kind of shows exactly why people were annoyed to have him on the team the past 2 years. It took Edmonton 3 months to figure out what it took Vancouver 3 years.

 

[IgorGonzola]

Markus Granlund cleared waivers.

Shocked nobody wanted a versatile 20 goal scorer.

Not sure what bringing up Granlund means, is this relating back to Shinkaruk who is playing in the KHL now after only managing 15 NHL games?

 

[4Twenty]

Not sure what bringing up Granlund means, is this relating back to Shinkaruk who is playing in the KHL now after only managing 15 NHL games?

He’s in the KHL now? Cool I hadn’t heard that. Thought he was with Carolina’s affiliate. That’s what this thread is for. Discussion of former Canucks.

 

[Melvin]

1. He symbolized the flawed thinking of the age gap process based on his trade.

2. Given an incredible amount of opportunity and got a raise every season for degrading play.

3. was here for 3 years and given borderline top 6 usage the entire time/bled goals yet you had people trying to use this trade as a means to dunk on the Benning haters. That he’s now washed into the AHL on a team that has piss poor depth at forward kind of shows exactly why people were annoyed to have him on the team the past 2 years. It took Edmonton 3 months to figure out what it took Vancouver 3 years.

Yeah, it was mostly just backlash against a few posters who went on about him being a 19 goal guy and tried to gloat every time he scored, plus seemed incapable of just discussing him as a player without bringing up Shikaruk. As usual, those of us who said he was a fungible player who'd clear waivers have been proven correct.

 

[IgorGonzola]

It isn't that they protected him (sometimes bad teams just have nobody else to protect), it's that they actually thought they had a huge protection issue because they had too many good players including Granlund.

Meanwhile, guys like Marchessault and Reilly Smith were literally being given away.

Florida exposed Marchessault believing the one season they had him was a fluke season. His seasons prior to that season with Tampa were very underwhelming so one can understand why he was exposed. They were wrong, so be it. Not sure what Marchessault being exposed in the Vegas expansion draft has to do with Benning?

 

[IgorGonzola]

Yeah, it was mostly just backlash against a few posters who went on about him being a 19 goal guy and tried to gloat every time he scored, plus seemed incapable of just discussing him as a player without bringing up Shikaruk. As usual, those of us who said he was a fungible player who'd clear waivers have been proven correct.

Not sure what was argued exactly but I myself viewed Granlund as a placeholder type. I couldn’t have cared less about him other than we certainly didn’t waste a good asset in him - the former first round pick out of the 2013 draft Shinkaruk whom didn’t pan out, not uncommon when it comes to drafting 18 year olds

 

[Melvin]

He’s in the KHL now? Cool I hadn’t heard that. Thought he was with Carolina’s affiliate. That’s what this thread is for. Discussion of former Canucks.

He's playing on the same team as Vancouver friends Adam Cracknell and Gilbert Brule!

Would be neat if Granlund joined him.

 

[4Twenty]

Florida exposed Marchessault believing the one season they had him was a fluke season. His seasons prior to that season with Tampa were very underwhelming so one can understand why he was exposed. They were wrong, so be it. Not sure what Marchessault being exposed in the Vegas expansion draft has to do with Benning?

Better players than Granlund ie. Marchessault and Smith, were basically given away at the time. Fretting over whether to keep Granlund or Sbisa when these better players could’ve been had with a pick and would’ve been a better utilization of expansion protection is the relation to Benning. I thought it was pretty clear.

 

[IgorGonzola]

Better players than Granlund ie. Marchessault and Smith, were basically given away at the time. Fretting over whether to keep Granlund or Sbisa when these better players could’ve been had with a pick and would’ve been a better utilization of expansion protection is the relation to Benning. I thought it was pretty clear.

So Benning and the 28 other GMs dropped the ball by not offering a pick for one of these two players? Or just Benning? I’m really not seeing the correlation.

 

[RussianRacket]

Hi friends, is the Kes and Juice podcast Former Players or Vancouver Media?

Because its sooooo interesting, probably moreso to us Nucks fans than others. The stories with Bertuzzi about training camp, or the little nuggets about past players like Sestito, Luongo, Hortichuk, etc are insightful to how a group of millionaire athletes work together. Guys have a good sense of humor too.

 

[MS]

Ive never quite understood why Granlund took so much heat here. He was a replacement level player, to be sure - and one that Green probably played a bit too much. But he was compensated at a reasonable level (in comparison to some of the brutal contracts that were given out), and served his purpose as a placeholder on the roster until better players were brought in to fill the role.

He seemed liked and respected by his teammates, too. Hopefully he’s able to acquit himself well in the AHL and earn another shot with the Oilers.

I'm not sure I've ever seen a slower, lazier Canuck.

Florida exposed Marchessault believing the one season they had him was a fluke season. His seasons prior to that season with Tampa were very underwhelming so one can understand why he was exposed. They were wrong, so be it. Not sure what Marchessault being exposed in the Vegas expansion draft has to do with Benning?

Guy scored 30 goals and skates like the wind. We protected a slug who the Sedins dragged to 19 goals. The next year Marchessault scored 75 points and Granlund 13. Surely NHL GMs who have worked in the game for years should be smarter than that, no? And be able to identify talent a little bit? Or maybe they're just kinda dumb.

The point is that Jim Benning, because he's a bad GM, stupidly over-estimated the ability levels of bad players on his roster and missed a golden opportunity to upgrade his roster in a buyers' market ahead of the expansion draft.

The whole Vegas expansion process was a Rosetta Stone into just how absolutely terrible most GMs are at their jobs and evaluating the players they have in front of them. Florida literally gave away 2/3 of the top line of the following year's Western Conference champions so they could protect a big, slow, bad 7th defender who was out of the NHL barely more than a year later.

 

[MS]

So Benning and the 28 other GMs dropped the ball by not offering a pick for one of these two players? Or just Benning? I’m really not seeing the correlation.

Most GMs had 7 good forwards to protect already. A few, like us, dropped the ball and protected garbage instead of upgrading their teams. Yes.

 

[IgorGonzola]

With all this Leivo talk it made me curious about Carcone’s stats, haven’t seen nor heard of how he’s doing. He’s in the AHL - 4 goals 5 assists in 28 games this season. It’s really looking like a good trade by Benning - Leivo has 7 goals 12 assists in the NHL.

 

[IgorGonzola]

Most GMs had 7 good forwards to protect already. A few, like us, dropped the ball and protected garbage instead of upgrading their teams. Yes.

Florida gambled thinking the one season Marssechault had with them was a fluke, when you take into account his body of work prior to that season you can see why they felt that way. Maybe Benning like the other GMs felt the same way. Who the hell knows, either way it’s kind of pointless arguing about after the fact crystal ball stuff

 

[4Twenty]

So Benning and the 28 other GMs dropped the ball by not offering a pick for one of these two players? Or just Benning? I’m really not seeing the correlation.

Lots of GM’s. Yes. The correlation is that this is a Vancouver Canucks forum, this thread is discussing a waived former Canuck, who was protected in the last expansion draft. Quality players around the league we’re getting exposed and player cost was quite low. People argued the team should have done this to upgrade the former Canuck being discussed.

 

[MS]

Florida gambled thinking the one season Marssechault had with them was a fluke, when you take into account his body of work prior to that season you can see why they felt that way. Maybe Benning like the other GMs felt the same way. Who the hell knows, either way it’s kind of pointless arguing about after the fact crystal ball stuff

Guy scored 30 goals at age 25 and is an elite skater. Seems like pretty dumb management to me. And to the horde of posters on this board who called Marchessault's success ahead of time. It wasn't surprising that he was a good player in Vegas.

 

[4Twenty]

Florida gambled thinking the one season Marssechault had with them was a fluke, when you take into account his body of work prior to that season you can see why they felt that way. Maybe Benning like the other GMs felt the same way. Who the hell knows, either way it’s kind of pointless arguing about after the fact crystal ball stuff

Why are you arguing about it then?

Florida didn’t want to pay Smith his computer boy contract and wanted to protect 4 dmen.