FORMER Canucks Part |||

[4Twenty]

Most LA and Calgary forwards have a decent two-way game unlike ours and it helps defenders.

Tanev and Edler’s numbers came with better defensive forwards here as well. The numbers still sucked. Because the coach sucks.

 

[M2Beezy]

 

[Kryten]

Baumgartner, Green, Weisbrod, Benning

 

[M2Beezy]

 

[AwesomeInTheory]

On a scale of 1-10 how do you feel about the latest Ex-Canucks?

I think I'm at least a Pat Foley.

 

[M2Beezy]

 

[timw33]

Looking forward to not talking about like 7 former players who are better, cheaper, and more effective under whoever the new GM is (hopefully).

 

[KingofSurrey]

30 games consecutive now with NO goals....

The guy is consistent.....

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

this will never not be funny

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

also

welcome back to this thread f***face

 

[timw33]

Jalen Chatfield looking like a totally serviceable Dman for Carolina.

Schmidt one point off last year's total. Essentially doing what Benning expected OEL to do for the Canucks this year offensively.

 

[MS]

Jalen Chatfield looking like a totally serviceable Dman for Carolina.

Schmidt one point off last year's total. Essentially doing what Benning expected OEL to do for the Canucks this year offensively.

Chatfield is another example of terrible development.

This guy looked great in his first camp in 2017 and really looked like we'd found something ... and then through 4 years in Utica simply didn't improve at all. Regressed at times if anything.

Then he signs in a top organization and instantly has a breakout in the AHL and is up in the NHL looking like a solid player. Exact same pattern as Dahlen.

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

Lukas Jasek is torching the SM-Liiga with 29 points in 24 games (leads the league in scoring).

 

[M2Beezy]

This guy SO wants a job here

 

[Petey But Really Jim]

This guy SO wants a job here

Bring him in. He presents to me at least a good chance to take on someone.

 

[MS]

I'd be happy for Hansen if he got a job with the team in a new administration while also being somewhat disappointed to lose his voice in the media.

It's very rare to have an ex-player this recently removed from the NHL who 'gets it' this well in terms of understanding the game behind the scenes. I actually think his takes are sharper than Bieksa's although Bieksa obviously has more star quality as a TV personality.

Would love to see him replace IMac on the intermission panels and be groomed as the replacement for the 70 y/o Garrett.

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

Hansen I don't think wants any kind of job right now. He's my buddy's neighbor in the North Shore and apparently he's having a great time raising his kids. But maybe in 5-6 years.

 

[Bubbles]

Hansen I don't think wants any kind of job right now. He's my buddy's neighbor in the North shore and apparently he's having a great time raising his kids. But maybe in 5-6 years.

Those alumni games must be entertaining with all the ex-Canucks living here.

 

[4Twenty]

Chatfield is another example of terrible development.

This guy looked great in his first camp in 2017 and really looked like we'd found something ... and then through 4 years in Utica simply didn't improve at all. Regressed at times if anything.

Then he signs in a top organization and instantly has a breakout in the AHL and is up in the NHL looking like a solid player. Exact same pattern as Dahlen.

Good teams with strong coaching can insulate/hide bad players easier too.

I’m not about to forget what I saw out of Chatfield because the top development organization in the league is squeezing 15+ minutes out of him over 3-4 games.

 

[Dab]

1000 games for Loui can’t believe he’s made it and that it’s in a different jersey!

 

[StreetHawk]

Chatfield is another example of terrible development.

This guy looked great in his first camp in 2017 and really looked like we'd found something ... and then through 4 years in Utica simply didn't improve at all. Regressed at times if anything.

Then he signs in a top organization and instantly has a breakout in the AHL and is up in the NHL looking like a solid player. Exact same pattern as Dahlen.

Not everything Carolina touches turns to gold, even with their development track record. They ended up shipping off former 1st rounders that they invested a lot of time with in Fleury and Bean for what is now just a 2nd round pick in Morrow who they won't see for like 3 years.

I do hope that JR reviews the AHL staff as well and looks to make changes there too. Almost nothing has emerged from the A under Benning. That string of nothing from the AHL has not changed through Nonis, Gillis, Benning regimes.

 

[David Bruce Banner]

Juolevi made his debut as a Panther last night.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

They ended up shipping off former 1st rounders that they invested a lot of time with in Fleury and Bean for what is now just a 2nd round pick in Morrow who they won't see for like 3 years.

i think the moral is no team is going to hit on all their high picks

carolina had a run of svech, necas, bean, hanifin, fleury, lindholm (hanifin and lindholm became dougie hamilton, adam fox, and… ferland)

similarly, chicago’s bottom out run was ruutu (became ladd), babchuk, seabrook, barker, skille, toews, kane, beach

barker and skille were outright busts, beach was extenuating circumstances

all to say, those two highly successful teams have their own virtanens and OJs. the difference is each had a first rounder every single year they were bad. from 2002 to 2007, chicago had thirteen second rounders. they didn’t all hit but among them were keith, crawford, bolland, and bickell.

vs trading second round picks for linden vey, baertschi, renting toffoli, and as sweeteners for sutter and gudbranson, plus firsts out the door for jt miller and garland/OEL.

 

[StreetHawk]

Yep. When you trade your picks what you get in return better deliver for the time frame that you bank on. Otherwise only 1 PO with Miller through 3 seasons if they miss this year for a 2019 3rd and 2020 1st is a waste.

plus puts pressure eon hitting on your remaining picks.

florida, has moved a bunch of picks too but they are a top team so they are getting what they dealt those picks for which is present day success, at least in the regular season so far.

Reinhart for a 1st. Bennett for a second and a recently drafted 2nd rounder. Dumped Stralman for a future 2nd. Dumped Connolly for a prior 2nd rounder.

 

[MS]

Not everything Carolina touches turns to gold, even with their development track record. They ended up shipping off former 1st rounders that they invested a lot of time with in Fleury and Bean for what is now just a 2nd round pick in Morrow who they won't see for like 3 years.

I do hope that JR reviews the AHL staff as well and looks to make changes there too. Almost nothing has emerged from the A under Benning. That string of nothing from the AHL has not changed through Nonis, Gillis, Benning regimes.

I'll disagree with the bolded.

Our AHL development was off-the-charts good when we were linked with the Manitoba Moose and Craig Heizinger in the 2000s. Like, best in the NHL good. Kesler, Edler, Bieksa, Burrows, Raymond, Hansen, Schneider all during that decade hit the NHL flying after significant time in the AHL.

Things started to go off the rails when we had to go to the Chicago Wolves for a couple years after Winnipeg got their NHL team. That was a terrible situation where our prospects were an afterthought, and the Utica Comets beginning in 2013 were supposed to fix the problem and Gillis had put a lot of resources toward Utica. Unfortunately it was only one season before he was fired, and then Benning fired Lorne Henning and turned Utica to shit just like everything else he touched.