Confirmed with Link: Foligno signs 6 Year, 33 Mil Extension
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Also, don't forget all of the young, I.E. cheap, players we have coming up in the next couple of years.
How?
Ok, I'm going to have to sign off here before I tear my hair out. That's about the only thing I have going for me.
Foligno better put up 55+ point seasons the rest of his career. He is now getting paid to produce; not be a second line two-way player. Until this season, 40 points was a bit of a chore for him. The guy is in the ballpark of Duchene.
Let's keep in mind that we just gave Foligno a comparable contract to what we gave Nathan Horton the previous offseason.
I love Foligno, but he has not had the same level of production has Horton. Not even close. I've been a defender of JK; but this one I just can't see. I also can't see how we're happy about it beyond have Foligno in the fold for the next six years. I'm happy for him and his family; but not for our salary situation.
I love Foligno, but he has not had the same level of production has Horton. Not even close. I've been a defender of JK; but this one I just can't see. I also can't see how we're happy about it beyond have Foligno in the fold for the next six years. I'm happy for him and his family; but not for our salary situation.
Yes I have. You can't tell me that contracts changed in one offseason enough to give Foligno a bigger cap hit than Horton - whose stats are FAR superior to Foligno's. By far superior, I mean not even close.
You are going to pay a guy 5.5 that has NEVER reached 20s goal until this season; assuming he isn't injured. For a guy that, until this season, had only produced a top six pace once in his career previously (sub 30 minute PROD). On top of that he's a winger.
This deal I don't understand. He better put up 25/55 moving forward or we really regret this deal. In two or three seasons he could easily be pushed down the depth chart with what we have coming up in forwards.
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WannabeFinn
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Since the 2011-12 season, which Foligno entered as a 23 year old, he has shot at a 13.76% pace. 230 NHL games in that time span. The shooting percentage is considerably higher over his past 103 games, too.
Yes, he won't shoot at 23% or whatever going forward, but the changes in his usage (move from 3rd line to top 6, move to 1st PP unit, playing with Johansen) provides him the ability to still score 20+ goals per season going forward.
Assuming Foligno can take 150 shots on goal in an 82 game season, which is less than 2 shots per game, he will score 20+ goals with a 13.76% shooting pace. Even if he somehow nosedives down to 10% shooting, he can still be a 20+ goal scorer while taking less than 3 shots per game (very reasonable to expect 200+ shots on goal in a healthy season from a top 6/top PP unit player). For example, Cam Atkinson had 216 shots on goal in the 2013-14 season and he wasn't a top line player.
Yes, he won't shoot at 23% or whatever going forward, but the changes in his usage (move from 3rd line to top 6, move to 1st PP unit, playing with Johansen) provides him the ability to still score 20+ goals per season going forward.
Assuming Foligno can take 150 shots on goal in an 82 game season, which is less than 2 shots per game, he will score 20+ goals with a 13.76% shooting pace. Even if he somehow nosedives down to 10% shooting, he can still be a 20+ goal scorer while taking less than 3 shots per game (very reasonable to expect 200+ shots on goal in a healthy season from a top 6/top PP unit player). For example, Cam Atkinson had 216 shots on goal in the 2013-14 season and he wasn't a top line player.
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I'm of the thinking that in the absence of this year's unusual stats that he would have been $4.5-5 million/year over 5 years type of deal. I think he gained a ton of leverage this season due to his career best scoring.
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He gained leverage because the CBJ organization placed him in a position to succeed, and succeed he did. Good for Foligno to take the opportunity presented and make something of it. We should be ecstatic that he's thrived here and locked up for the future.
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So you're telling me that a player given ample opportunity on the top line/top PP unit of a Stanley Cup winning team has better stats than a player used in the middle 6, and sparingly on the PP, while with teams that were in the bottom half of the league?!
I'm shocked.
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I'm happy for his success. I'd always look at his stats and they didn't seem to equate to his ability.
It's certainly not a horrible contract-even if his production doesn't continue on its present pace.
What a silly statement. Contracts are not result based. Beyond silly really. It doesn't matter how he was used in the past. There are reasons that Horton got the ice time on a good team and Foligno didn't on inferior teams. If you think that Foligno is worth Dubinsky money; more power to you. Dubinsky stats are closer, in comparison, but he's also a center. I thought we also overpaid on Dubinsky a bit. We are overpaying for intangibles. Could pay off, I hope it does.
4.5-4.75 is a much closer number.
I know we love him around here; I know I do. But this is a very risky contract and an over-payment. A 30 year old Foligno could easily look like a harder working Umberger.
I'm very nervous to see what we give AA if we decide to keep him.
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Surprised, but when you look at the UFAs coming available in the next few years (at least the ones that will actually make it to UFA) the $ aren't outrageous. Bottom line is I'd rather have Foligno than not have him. Additionally this seems to be a good message to the rest of the roster that if you put in the work and play the right way you will be rewarded.
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Put me in the "good job Jarmo" group. I think this is an extremely fair deal. Longer term, sure, but I think this is a player who will prove his worth given an extended and continued opportunity in a first line type role.
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I kind of agree with everyone. More than I thought at the beginning of the year but his play so far raised his price. No way could Jarmo let him walk in FA. I think the term and dollars are okay given the circumstances and it was about as low as Jarmo could go. Also the partial no trade is beneficial. Hopefully he puts up 50+ points per going forward or he will become the next Umbie on these boards. Time will be the final arbiter here.
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5.5 for 6 years isn't bad considering the cap is soaring up. 5.5 in a few years will like like 4.5 now. It's a fair contract.
Horton should be on LTIR at the start of next year, so no it doesn't count against the cap, unless he tries to keep playing.
Great deal in my opinion. The 6 years makes me extra happy about it. We could spend a lot of time talking about the meaning of "overpayment".. I'm not entirely sure how folks are using it here. There's no question to my mind that Foligno could have gotten more in UFA this summer, he was going to be the top forward UFA with the cap still rising. He gave us a deal.
Foligno's 5 on 5 per-minute scoring rate has been great for years now. What's changed is extra minutes 5 on 5 and a big improvement (probably unsustainable) in powerplay scoring. This year isn't a complete abberation. It was always a mystery why Foligno didn't score more given the amount of chances he creates. Now the mystery seems to have been solved.
And we should be happy to pay a little for the intangibles and versatility. If you think Dubinsky being a center is a huge plus - well playing at center is another of Foligno's tricks. He has a lot of tricks, and you have to pay for that.
Foligno's 5 on 5 per-minute scoring rate has been great for years now. What's changed is extra minutes 5 on 5 and a big improvement (probably unsustainable) in powerplay scoring. This year isn't a complete abberation. It was always a mystery why Foligno didn't score more given the amount of chances he creates. Now the mystery seems to have been solved.
And we should be happy to pay a little for the intangibles and versatility. If you think Dubinsky being a center is a huge plus - well playing at center is another of Foligno's tricks. He has a lot of tricks, and you have to pay for that.
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Agree, put it this way, I'd rather be having this positive news to start off the year rather than reading somebody else steps up and pays him the big bucks in the FA market come July. Good on you JK
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Don't forget signing Jenner, Murray, and Bobrovsky within the next few years. And if he keeps it up Connauton will command a raise.
I'm fine with trading Atkinson
Nah. My posting history will show I wasn't even sure if he should be on the 2nd line two seasons ago. He's developed nicely into a legit top sixer since then. Candidly, I'd rather see him on our top line.
