Confirmed with Link: Foligno Extension - 3.1 Million AAV

[GordieGallant]

No he isn't. He's a clown who gives Russo all the access he could ever want, so Russo repays it by pumping his tires in the press.

Foligno is a guy you want on your team and Russo is a pimp for the Athletic. Enough said.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

No he isn't. He's a clown who gives Russo all the access he could ever want, so Russo repays it by pumping his tires in the press.

Is anybody that gives an interview Public Enemy #1 or something? I know your default is to hate signings, but what a weird connection to make.

 

[2Pair]

Is anybody that gives an interview Public Enemy #1 or something? I know your default is to hate signings, but what a weird connection to make.

Tired of people regurgitating the bullshit that Russo writes as fact. Foligno is a quality 4th line player who is very good on the PK. He isn't some great leader, voice of the team, protector of teammates.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Tired of people regurgitating the bullshit that Russo writes as fact. Foligno is a quality 4th line player who is very good on the PK. He isn't some great leader, voice of the team, protector of teammates.

To be a little fair, last year at least, he was more than just a 4th liner.

If he holds a 3rd line spot in the lineup, and holds his 2019-20 production, then in a vacuum, his price is probably "fair". Whether or not it's something we should've done in our current and near-future situation is another question.

 

[16thOverallSaveUs]

Tired of people regurgitating the bullshit that Russo writes as fact. Foligno is a quality 4th line player who is very good on the PK. He isn't some great leader, voice of the team, protector of teammates.

I don’t know that any of us are in a position to back up these claims. Take him for what he is, a defensively responsible bottom 6 guy who was on pace for 35 points over a full season last year. I’m not a fan of the signing even if you think these things are true, but I don’t think the you need to label everything that Guerin does as egregious as it seems you have been.

 

[Webster]

Guess the debate on twitter, now they think Foligno will be protected, and Eriksson Ek will be exposed because he's basically just a mediocre player who can't climb bottom 6. I'm not so sure this will happen, but it's debatable.

 

[AKL]

Guess the debate on twitter, now they think Foligno will be protected, and Eriksson Ek will be exposed because he's basically just a mediocre player who can't climb bottom 6. I'm not so sure this will happen, but it's debatable.

And what is Foligno, exactly?

 

[Dickie Dunn]

If this exposes Ek then its as baffling as moving Kunin.

 

[2Pair]

To be a little fair, last year at least, he was more than just a 4th liner.

If he holds a 3rd line spot in the lineup, and holds his 2019-20 production, then in a vacuum, his price is probably "fair". Whether or not it's something we should've done in our current and near-future situation is another question.

I really like the player that Foligno is, but how could anyone want him to "hold a 3rd line spot" with this roster? Career high of 25 points. If you can show me comparable players making $3M I will gladly eat crow on this but, IMO, he's a $2M per levelof player.

The bigger problem for me is that this is the 3rd straight time that Guerin has been in a rush to overpay a player for no apparent reason. Doesn't make sense to me

 

[2Pair]

I don’t know that any of us are in a position to back up these claims. Take him for what he is, a defensively responsible bottom 6 guy who was on pace for 35 points over a full season last year. I’m not a fan of the signing even if you think these things are true, but I don’t think the you need to label everything that Guerin does as egregious as it seems you have been.

What's the benefit of signing this contract at this time?

 

[16thOverallSaveUs]

What's the benefit of signing this contract at this time?

You lock up a player that you want to be a part of your team moving forward

 

[2Pair]

You lock up a player that you want to be a part of your team moving forward

For 30% above market value? That isn't a benefit at all.

 

[Webster]

What's the benefit of signing this contract at this time?

1. Foligno has a very nice contract for another 3 years, he'll be happy and play well.
2. Seattle would most likely not be interested in him now.

 

[16thOverallSaveUs]

For 30% above market value? That isn't a benefit at all.

He’s more than a 2.1 million dollar player. I still think it’s an overpayment. I would’ve moved him, but there’s a lot more going on behind the scenes that we don’t know. Maybe he is a leader and glue guy. Even if he’s not, he’s still a very good defensive forward that was just on pace for a 35 point season. That’s not the next-to-nothing player you keep trying to portray him as.

 

[Prior]

Weren’t we just discounting Spurgeon as a captain because he won’t get physical and stand up for his teammates? Now we are saying that Foligno doesn’t when he absolutely has? Seems strange.

Foligno is a okay player. I have a hard time getting worked up over a few hundred thousand dollars of someone else’s money either way. He’ll be a good player for the Wild until he isn’t. I’ll live.

 

[2Pair]

He’s more than a 2.1 million dollar player. I still think it’s an overpayment. I would’ve moved him, but there’s a lot more going on behind the scenes that we don’t know. Maybe he is a leader and glue guy. Even if he’s not, he’s still a very good defensive forward that was just on pace for a 35 point season. That’s not the next-to-nothing player you keep trying to portray him as.

Show me the comparable contracts

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

I really like the player that Foligno is, but how could anyone want him to "hold a 3rd line spot" with this roster? Career high of 25 points. If you can show me comparable players making $3M I will gladly eat crow on this but, IMO, he's a $2M per levelof player.

The bigger problem for me is that this is the 3rd straight time that Guerin has been in a rush to overpay a player for no apparent reason. Doesn't make sense to me

Not directly comparable, but Matt Martin just got 4 x $1.5M after an 8 point season.

The timing is odd to me, I agree.

 

[2Pair]

Weren’t we just discounting Spurgeon as a captain because he won’t get physical and stand up for his teammates? Now we are saying that Foligno doesn’t when he absolutely has? Seems strange.

Foligno is a okay player. I have a hard time getting worked up over a few hundred thousand dollars of someone else’s money either way. He’ll be a good player for the Wild until he isn’t. I’ll live.

Show me the times that Foligno has stood up for his teammates

 

[16thOverallSaveUs]

Show me the comparable contracts

Carl Hagelin is the one the immediately pops out at me. Especially considering their stats were almost identical last year. And that’s the contract I would’ve given Foligno (2.75) However, some metrics would argue Foligno is a better defensive player, so I can see the bump, though I wouldn’t have done it. Other comparable:
Matt Calvert
Leo Komarov
Craig Smith
Derek Ryan
Zack Kassian

 

[DeagleJenkins]

Show me the times that Foligno has stood up for his teammates

Ryan Reaves vs Marcus Foligno Oct 6, 2018 - YouTube

 

[2Pair]

Ryan Reaves vs Marcus Foligno Oct 6, 2018 - YouTube

3 years ago. And he turtled

 

[Minnesnota]

I really like the player that Foligno is, but how could anyone want him to "hold a 3rd line spot" with this roster? Career high of 25 points. If you can show me comparable players making $3M I will gladly eat crow on this but, IMO, he's a $2M per levelof player.

The bigger problem for me is that this is the 3rd straight time that Guerin has been in a rush to overpay a player for no apparent reason. Doesn't make sense to me

Zack Kassian and Antoine Roussel come to mind.

Although Foligno is a much better player than both of them. Analytically Foligno is a very good defensive player. Counting points shouldn't be the only way to value a player.

There's only 1 forward better defensively on the Wild than Foligno: Eriksson Ek.

 

[guitarhunterdude]

If this exposes Ek then its as baffling as moving Kunin.

Even more so, considering how much better Ek's underlying numbers are than Kunin's.

Guerin's looking more and more like a lame duck. At least we have Brackett. I'm in the camp that this is only about a 400k AAV overpay, but if we keep doing this crap we're guaranteed kissing one of Kaprizov or Fiala goodbye.

 

[Prior]

3 years ago. And he turtled

Still stood up for a teammate to a player well above his weight class. What actual NHL player isn’t going to turtle fighting Reaves.

Also fought MacEwen last year after he spent a few shifts running around. Not that it will matter to you in all this.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

3 years ago. And he turtled

2 years and 3 months.

He didn't turtle, he got beat, by probably the best fighter in the league.