Confirmed with Link: Flyers Trade 2nd, 3rd, and 4th Round Picks For Tony DeAngelo And a 7th (Signs 2x$5M Ext)

[BrindamoursNose]

They upgraded from TDA to Burns, Ghost is the 5th D-man, he's an upgrade from De Haan.

And we moved laterally acquiring TDA in place of Ghost while giving up way too many draft picks

 

[kudymen]

Good thing he finally remembers Burns, I though Ghost was on PP1 according to him

 

[deadhead]

And we moved laterally acquiring TDA in place of Ghost while giving up way too many draft picks

That wasn't quite how it happened, it was a lot more jumbled than that.
AV wanted Ghost gone, Fletcher obliged.
Scott wanted an "aggressive reload," Fletcher obliged.
This FO has never had a long-term plan other than make the playoffs and placate their critics.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

That wasn't quite how it happened, it was a lot more jumbled than that.
AV wanted Ghost gone, Fletcher obliged.
Scott wanted an "aggressive reload," Fletcher obliged.
This FO has never had a long-term plan other than make the playoffs and placate their critics.

Don't really care the path they took - that's what happened because, as you said, they had no long-term plan.

 

[freakydallas13]

Does Scott telling Fletcher to do an aggressive reload make giving up a bunch of picks for a lateral move okay?

Of course not, still an awful deal from start to finish.

 

[Rebels57]

And we moved laterally acquiring TDA in place of Ghost while giving up way too many draft picks

If only it was actually a lateral move. Ghost is a better player and person, AINEC.

They spent 5 valuable picks TO GET WORSE...just on that swap alone.

 

[deadhead]

Does Scott telling Fletcher to do an aggressive reload make giving up a bunch of picks for a lateral move okay?

Of course not, still an awful deal from start to finish.

An aggressive reload is going to lead to overpays and mistakes.

The best deals are made when a GM is under no pressure to make moves, and can say "no" with confidence that he won't be second guessed by his FO.

Even a good GM would struggle to make good moves with this FO breathing down his neck.
Which is how Hextall signed JVR in the first place.

 

[kudymen]

Does Scott telling Fletcher to do an aggressive reload make giving up a bunch of picks for a lateral move okay?

Of course not, still an awful deal from start to finish.

That way he is shit at asset management AND a weak manager at the same time. Great defense eh

 

[freakydallas13]

An aggressive reload is going to lead to overpays and mistakes.

The best deals are made when a GM is under no pressure to make moves, and can say "no" with confidence that he won't be second guessed by his FO.

Even a good GM would struggle to make good moves with this FO breathing down his neck.
Which is how Hextall signed JVR in the first place.

Cool story, but still doesn't account for the fact that an "aggressive reload" doesn't mean trading a bunch of picks for arguably worse player than the one you gave up.

You can push the gun to Fletcher's head narrative all you want, Dave Scott told Fletcher to do an aggressive reload to make the team more competitive. Fletcher traded a bunch of picks for a lateral (at best) side grade.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

An aggressive reload is going to lead to overpays and mistakes.

The best deals are made when a GM is under no pressure to make moves, and can say "no" with confidence that he won't be second guessed by his FO.

Even a good GM would struggle to make good moves with this FO breathing down his neck.
Which is how Hextall signed JVR in the first place.

No, that's why Hextall was fired. Hextall wouldn't do the things the FO wanted. He completely tuned them out.

Also, let's dispel this right now: JVR wasn't a bad signing - he was expensive & paid a lot (no doubt), but they had a lot of cap & JVR was the 2nd best piece on the UFA market for a team that needed scoring.

It was Chuck Fletcher's inability to get value in any trade that made JVR seem like an immovable contract, not the fact that he really was one. Serevalli confirmed again today that Fletcher completely screwed up trading JVR at the deadline all because he is a massively incompetent dope.

 

[kudymen]

You can push the gun to Fletcher's head narrative all you want, Dave Scott told Fletcher to do an aggressive reload to make the team more competitive. Fletcher traded a bunch of picks for a lateral (at best) side grade.

It is lovely, isnt it? In one thread he acts like he knows what Scott tells or does not tell Fletcher - while in another thread he tells people to stop assuming that they know there were offers for JvR. LOL

 

[deadhead]

Cool story, but still doesn't account for the fact that an "aggressive reload" doesn't mean trading a bunch of picks for arguably worse player than the one you gave up.

You can push the gun to Fletcher's head narrative all you want, Dave Scott told Fletcher to do an aggressive reload to make the team more competitive. Fletcher traded a bunch of picks for a lateral (at best) side grade.

Ghost was water under the bridge, so he's irrelevant to the decision to trade for TDA.
The problem was a lack of coherent strategy, so the moves make no sense taken as a whole b/c there is no sense.

The real problem is once you decide to trade G, you also trade Risto, don't trade for TDA, sign a veteran patch and write off 2022-23.
But the FO wasn't willing to do that. That would be a "rebuild," and that is verboten.

It is lovely, isnt it? In one thread he acts like he knows what Scott tells or does not tell Fletcher - while in another thread he tells people to stop assuming that they know there were offers for JvR. LOL

We know what Scott pronounced as the Flyer strategy, "aggressive reload." He said that to the media.

 

[kudymen]

We know what Scott pronounced as the Flyer strategy, "aggressive reload." He said that to the media.

Are you trying to say that there was no pronounciation of JvR being a priority tradeable asset from this franchise?

 

[Kelmitchell2]

2 games for this jackass

 

[Flyerfan4life]

2 games for this jackass

thats it ?

 

[freakydallas13]

Ghost was water under the bridge, so he's irrelevant to the decision to trade for TDA.
The problem was a lack of coherent strategy, so the moves make no sense taken as a whole b/c there is no sense.

The real problem is once you decide to trade G, you also trade Risto, don't trade for TDA, sign a veteran patch and write off 2022-23.
But the FO wasn't willing to do that. That would be a "rebuild," and that is verboten.


We know what Scott pronounced as the Flyer strategy, "aggressive reload." He said that to the media.

"Ghost is water under the bridge" is a nice way of hand waving a terrible trade you are trying not to acknowledge was a terrible trade.

Again, you haven't acknowledged what I said: "aggressive reload" doesn't mean "trade Ghost and 5 picks and end up with an arguably worse player". Scott didn't tell Fletcher to do that, Scott told Fletcher to make the team competitive and that was how Fletcher decided to do it.

 

[dragonoffrost]

"Ghost is water under the bridge" is a nice way of hand waving a terrible trade you are trying not to acknowledge was a terrible trade.

Again, you haven't acknowledged what I said: "aggressive reload" doesn't mean "trade Ghost and 5 picks and end up with an arguably worse player". Scott didn't tell Fletcher to do that, Scott told Fletcher to make the team competitive and that was how Fletcher decided to do it.

Waits for the incoming they wanted TDA to listen to Torts and be the Rangers TDA which was supposed to be better than the one we see right now. Cause we all damn sure you'd never see the Carolina TDA here.

 

[ponder719]

Dave Scott: "Hey, Chuck, we don't want to backslide here. We need an aggressive retool."

Chuckbot: Instructions unclear. Acquiring aggressive tools.

 

[Striiker]

Does Scott telling Fletcher to do an aggressive reload make giving up a bunch of picks for a lateral move okay?

Of course not, still an awful deal from start to finish.

“Please cook us dinner”
*pulls down pants and shits on plate*
“That’s not my fault. You told me to cook”

In a world where Fletcher isn’t the worst GM in the league, he:

1) tells AV (his employee) “No, I’m not trading Ghost” and keeps their, at absolute worst, 2nd best defensemen who just had the best year of all their D, paced for 40 points on the 3rd pair with AHL partners, and had the best defensive stats on the team

2) follows Scott’s instructions and tries to compete immediately by adding good players instead of adding awful players and trading away their best guys.

But yeah, poor guy had no choice.

 

[Kelmitchell2]

thats it ?

Unfortunately

 

[macleish1974]

2 gms? Hmmmmm.....should have been at least 5 gms; it was intentional

miniature guillotine for cutting off testicles........just saying........

 

[Beef Invictus]

That wasn't quite how it happened, it was a lot more jumbled than that.
AV wanted Ghost gone, Fletcher obliged.
Scott wanted an "aggressive reload," Fletcher obliged.
This FO has never had a long-term plan other than make the playoffs and placate their critics.

Sounds like Fletcher is a spineless lazy tool. Explains why he's f***ed everything up so badly.

You're not doing a good job defending him here.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Ghost was water under the bridge, so he's irrelevant to the decision to trade for TDA.
The problem was a lack of coherent strategy, so the moves make no sense taken as a whole b/c there is no sense.

The real problem is once you decide to trade G, you also trade Risto, don't trade for TDA, sign a veteran patch and write off 2022-23.
But the FO wasn't willing to do that. That would be a "rebuild," and that is verboten.


We know what Scott pronounced as the Flyer strategy, "aggressive reload." He said that to the media.

Ghost wasn't water under the bridge. Fletcher made the call to move on from him, but then he needed someone to fill that role. So he got Yandle, which you were thrilled about and the rest of us weren't. We were right. This year he plugged that role-hole by paying too much for TDA, a move you loved and we didn't. We were right again.

That's all avoided by simply not losing the Ghost trade. It is all related. It all matters. It's all chained together. I don't know how you deluded yourself like this. You do not need to defend everything they do.

 

[bennysflyers16]

The commitment is impressive.

 

[mja]

Sounds like Fletcher is a spineless lazy tool. Explains why he's f***ed everything up so badly.

You're not doing a good job defending him here.

"Chuck's not that bad, it's just that he's a spineless weasel who gets bossed around by both his underlings and his advisors," continues to be my favorite "defense" of his job performance.