Confirmed with Link: Flyers Trade 2nd, 3rd, and 4th Round Picks For Tony DeAngelo And a 7th (Signs 2x$5M Ext)

[mja]

I do, but the rest of you are under the delusion that Hextall built a winner that Fletcher sabotaged.

Literally no one here believes / ever believed that. Why do you insist on lying?

 

[renberg]

I may be wrong but the acquisition of TDA is just one in a line of failed attempts to find a partner for Provorov. Provorov is the main reason why the defense is in trouble. Perhaps it would have been wiser to just accept that the Provorov needed to be moved and to have done that. Get the return and move on as well as not making harebrained trades like the ones for players like TDA.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

I may be wrong but the acquisition of TDA is just one in a line of failed attempts to find a partner for Provorov. Provorov is the main reason why the defense is in trouble. Perhaps it would have been wiser to just accept that the Provorov needed to be moved and to have done that. Get the return and move on as well as not making harebrained trades like the ones for players like TDA.

The acquisition of TDA filled the role/archetype that Fletcher and the Flyers view as a requirement when building a team. That is what the goal was here even more so than finding Provorov a partner.

They believe that they need a single "all offense" defenseman. We saw it with Yandle and we saw it with others. It's a lazy "Hockey Man" way of building a hockey team.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Not that I care for the WAR stat, but damn. Makar, Werenski, & Miller. Three guys they should’ve taken but passed on in the first round.

Even Brodie they tried to sign as a UFA but he chose Toronto over them.

 

[dragonoffrost]

No. I said he was a gamble. Sometimes players like TDA turn it around, Gustaffson is playing like a legitimate top 4 D-man in Washington after looking like dog crap for a few years b/c Colliton ruined him in Chicago.

TDA has a lot of offensive skill, all he has to do is master the basics on defense and play under control. No one expects him to be great on defense, just not a black hole.

Funny thing, TDA has kept his nose clean, not a single hint of controversy, no stupid internet posts or comments to the press.
Unfortunately, he's not nearly as disciplined on the ice.

He was being his defensive play when he was acquired. He was known to be a black hole that Slavin made look serviceable on the ice. You specifically have stated that Torts would make sure he wasn't said black hole that you are now calling him.

Don't twist what someone is pointing out to make it another issue that was not being addressed currently aka his reputation off the ice.

 

[Beef Invictus]

It's interesting that everyone who spent every day for years gnashing their teeth over Ghost's defense is far more subdued over a TDA who is far worse.

 

[dragonoffrost]

It's interesting that everyone who spent every day for years gnashing their teeth over Ghost's defense is far more subdued over a TDA who is far worse.

I thought Ghost could improve even with the long road to the NHL of 4 years of NCAA Hockey. TDA ain't worth the time he's a shit player by his age with his years in the league.

 

[Striiker]

It's interesting that everyone who spent every day for years gnashing their teeth over Ghost's defense is far more subdued over a TDA who is far worse.

And it’s literally just because Fletcher likes one and hates the other, so they have to agree with whatever their glorious leader believes.

 

[kudymen]

It's interesting that everyone who spent every day for years gnashing their teeth over Ghost's defense is far more subdued over a TDA who is far worse.

Maybe one of them was Chuck Fletcher's acquisition

 

[deadhead]

And it’s literally just because Fletcher likes one and hates the other, so they have to agree with whatever their glorious leader believes.

It was AV who didn't want Ghost.

 

[dragonoffrost]

It was AV who didn't want Ghost.

Fletch could have told AV to shove it up his ass and use the players he's given. He didn't so Fletch is complicit.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Coaches don't run teams or have authority over their executives.

 

[deadhead]

Coaches don't run teams or have authority over their executives.

Really? Depends on the team, the HC and the contract. Q had an awful lot of pull in Florida, for example.

 

[mja]

It was AV who didn't want Ghost.

So Fletcher let his coach force him into a bad move? Sounds like terrible GMing.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Here we go again.

AV was a dead coach walking and we all saw it and we all knew it. Although some of us tried to deny it.

If Fletcher had a backbone or wanted to keep Ghost he could have told AV to go f*** himself and do a better job before he gets shown the door instead he did neither of those so he's complicit in the malpractice.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Really? Depends on the team, the HC and the contract. Q had an awful lot of pull in Florida, for example.

Q wasn't running Florida, despite that supposed pull. He wasn't in charge.

Tortorella isn't in charge. AV wasn't in charge.


Very very weird how after years and years of arguing that coaches are totally fungible and irrelevant, they're suddenly oftem the prime forces moving rosters and not GMs.

 

[ajgoal]

Here we go again.

AV was a dead coach walking and we all saw it and we all knew it. Although some of us tried to deny it.

If Fletcher had a backbone or wanted to keep Ghost he could have told AV to go f*** himself and do a better job before he gets shown the door instead he did neither of those so he's complicit in the malpractice.

Do we have a source stating that AV didn't want Gostisbehere and Fletcher did? Or is this mere speculation presented as fact, otherwise known as a "lie?"

 

[mja]

Do we have a source stating that AV didn't want Gostisbehere and Fletcher did? Or is this mere speculation presented as fact, otherwise known as a "lie?"

I think it's something he "suspects" to be true, otherwise known as a lie.

 

[deadhead]

Here we go again.

AV was a dead coach walking and we all saw it and we all knew it. Although some of us tried to deny it.

If Fletcher had a backbone or wanted to keep Ghost he could have told AV to go f*** himself and do a better job before he gets shown the door instead he did neither of those so he's complicit in the malpractice.

Everyone in the FO was complicit, Scott had to sign off on firing AV (and eating $15M) the advisors that the team was in worse shape than they imagined and needed to rebuild, etc. Instead they hoped a few tweaks would solve the problem.

Fletcher was hired to implement the consensus, not to run the organization - that was made clear from the beginning.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Everyone in the FO was complicit, Scott had to sign off on firing AV (and eating $15M) the advisors that the team was in worse shape than they imagined and needed to rebuild, etc. Instead they hoped a few tweaks would solve the problem.

Fletcher was hired to implement the consensus, not to run the organization - that was made clear from the beginning.

Yes, we know, every single person in the Front Office is a part of the problem. We are the ones that have said this from the beginning. We are the ones that said AV needed to go. We weren't the ones that pointed to a sample size years before and longed for while defending him until he was fired. Catering to the whims of that Head Coach is unbelievably daft on the organization's part.

Let's not forget that by all reports Fletcher had not even thought about firing AV when he finally did. His hand was forced by Scott. That, once again, falls on Fletcher and is a failure exclusively on him.

 

[mja]

Fletcher was hired to implement the consensus, not to run the organization - that was made clear from the beginning.

Sounds like he's a terrible GM.

 

[deadhead]

A Ghost of a Chance - On Shayne Gostisbehere and Likely the Last Opportunity to Prove Himself

A couple of weeks ago, Shayne Gostisbehere and Alain Vigneault sat down for a chat. They both had things they wanted to get off their chest about how the 2019-20 season went. Gostisbehere was frustrated, of course. Not only was he trying to battle through injuries, but he was the subject of...

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“It permits us to play Shayne and it permits us to (put him) on the taxi squad and maybe have one or two more options up front or on D,” Vigneault said. “Shayne, like the rest of our group, has had some consistency issues. He’s not the only one. But this move just permits us to do exactly what I said; it gives us a little more flexibility with the personnel we have here right now.”

Flyers cast their Ghost to the waiver wire

The Flyers created some news in Buffalo Tuesday and they didn’t even have to almost lose to the worst team in hockey to do it. Shortly before the club practiced in New York’s western gl…

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[Beef Invictus]

Everyone in the FO was complicit, Scott had to sign off on firing AV (and eating $15M) the advisors that the team was in worse shape than they imagined and needed to rebuild, etc. Instead they hoped a few tweaks would solve the problem.

Fletcher was hired to implement the consensus, not to run the organization - that was made clear from the beginning.

He was hired to run the organization and has chosen to do so by consensus. He's always been free to go his own way or resign. He chooses not to and chooses to empower idiots and he chooses to follow any dumbass advice they offer, while also engaging in a bunch of failures exclusively of his own making.

He is a comprehensive and total disaster.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

DeAngelo has blown defensively, no two ways about it.

Talented, good offensively, but he won’t get an extension with this type of defensive play.

 

[BernieParent]

In 4/6 drafts (looking to 2024) Fletcher will have traded a 2nd rounder, all in the top half, including 3 likely 35-40 picks. It gets nuttier: the Wild didn't have a 2nd rounder in 4 of the last 5 years before coming here. In 8 of the last 11 years he has managed, Fletcher has traded away a 2nd round pick. This man just absolutely hates 2nd rounders, so I understand why Clarke and Homer and Lombardi love him to bits as a collaborator.

Wild have made 7 picks in the 2nd round -- along with 6 picks in the 1st -- in the 4 years after Fletcher/Flahr f***ed off. In his entire management career, Fletcher has made two 1st round picks exactly once, back in 2011. Wild just did it twice back-to-back.

Do you know how EARLY the NHL starts the second round?!? Really early! And that is also right after Fletcher has to miss his 9 pm bedtime the night before to oversee round 1.