Confirmed with Link: Flyers Sign Ivan Fedotov To One Year Deal (May 2022); May 2023 update: could return to CSKA per reports

[Rebels57]

And f*** the NHL since they respect KHL contracts?

Yes

 

[Caser]

Yes

I'm not an expert at Flyers relationships with the NHL, but as for Michkov if you'll offer him to run away without being able to play hockey I'm somehow sure you'll get a free masterclass on Russian profanity.

 

[renberg]

And f*** the NHL since they respect KHL contracts?

Since when does the KHL honor NHL contracts?
Unless a potential Russian draftee is outside of that country and willing to stay away from there for the duration of his NHL career, a NHL club would be foolish to draft him. If I was a Russian NHLer I’d think long and hard about going home this off season.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

If we are talking about his army status then right now he should be finishing school and he mentioned that he plans to become a student, so that should give him 4 years of army conscription immunity. Current KHL contract is 3 more years, so that should be enough to leave without any issues.

Thank you as always, Caser.

 

[Hanji]

Michkov and his entire family including extended (so Putin doesn't, you know, have them fall out any open windows) should fly to USA for the Draft and they should then never return to Russia. f*** them, and f*** the KHL contract.

You're exaggerating the problem a little. Fedotov is like the only guy who's had issues coming over in more than a decade. Nearly 20 players have come to the NHL/AHL with no issues since the war began. Fedotov is the sole outlier.

It's like Russian fans telling their players to avoid North America or they'll get molested because of the Blackhawks/Hockey Canada scandals (outlier incidents). Did it occur? Sure. Is it likely to happen to every player? Very, very, slim chance.

Since when does the KHL honor NHL contracts?
Unless a potential Russian draftee is outside of that country and willing to stay away from there for the duration of his NHL career, a NHL club would be foolish to draft him. If I was a Russian NHLer I’d think long and hard about going home this off season.

Both have honored each others contracts for years now.

 

[Caser]

Since when does the KHL honor NHL contracts?
Unless a potential Russian draftee is outside of that country and willing to stay away from there for the duration of his NHL career, a NHL club would be foolish to draft him. If I was a Russian NHLer I’d think long and hard about going home this off season.

Since Radulov case, so for about 15 years now.

 

[renberg]

You're exaggerating the problem a little. Fedotov is like the only guy who's had issues coming over in more than a decade. Nearly 20 players have come to the NHL/AHL with no issues since the war began. Fedotov is the sole outlier.

It's like Russian fans telling their players to avoid North America or they'll get molested because of the Blackhawks/Hockey Canada scandals (outlier incidents). Did it occur? Sure. Is it likely to happen to every player? Very, very, slim chance.



Both have honored each others contracts for years now.

Really? Fedotov had a contract with Philly signed May 7, 2022. He played where?

 

[Caser]

Really? Fedotov had a contract with Philly signed May 7, 2022. He played where?

This season not in the KHL that's for sure.

 

[Rebels57]

This season not in the KHL that's for sure.

And where will he be playing next season and going forward?

 

[Beef Invictus]

Yeah, it is no longer possible to say the KHL honors NHL contracts. Fedotov was targeted because he was going to leave the KHL. Russia has gone out of their way to avoid forcing conscription on individuals like Fedotov. They first targeted rural and ethnic areas. They've drained them, so now they're going after industrial areas. "High profile hockey player in city" is not a demographic they were pursuing to bring in for conscription because they'd been going out of their way to try and make sure the war doesn't impact urban populations.

He was targeted for signing this contract. It's retaliation, spearheaded by a connected KHL owner. The contract agreement is dead. There's a reason he was arrested the day his NHL contract started.

 

[Caser]

And where will he be playing next season and going forward?

If he will sign with CSKA (btw just today the rumors appeared that they want to extend their current starting goalie) then the contract will kick in on 1st of July and at that point his contract with the Flyers will already be expired.

 

[Caser]

Yeah, it is no longer possible to say the KHL honors NHL contracts. Fedotov was targeted because he was going to leave the KHL. Russia has gone out of their way to avoid forcing conscription on individuals like Fedotov. They first targeted rural and ethnic areas. They've drained them, so now they're going after industrial areas. "High profile hockey player in city" is not a demographic they were pursuing to bring in for conscription because they'd been going out of their way to try and make sure the war doesn't impact urban populations.

He was targeted for signing this contract. It's retaliation, spearheaded by a connected KHL owner. The contract agreement is dead. There's a reason he was arrested the day his NHL contract started.

Here you are confusing KHL guys and CSKA guys, those are pretty much different people.

 

[ellja3]

/delete/

 

[Beef Invictus]

Here you are confusing KHL guys and CSKA guys, those are pretty much different people.

I'm perfectly aware.

Fedotov is not arrested if he doesn't sign that contract and is on the verge of leaving. Especially at that time, Russia was carefully avoiding arresting and conscripting anyone in Moscow or that Moscow would notice. He's an extremely suspicious outlier. This is pure blackmail spearheaded by a team owner to keep a player.

If he hadn't had a paperwork error, they'd have used laws about keeping military age males in-country to keep him.

 

[Caser]

I'm perfectly aware.

Fedotov is not arrested if he doesn't sign that contract and is on the verge of leaving. Especially at that time, Russia was carefully avoiding arresting and conscripting anyone in Moscow or that Moscow would notice. He's an extremely suspicious outlier. This is pure blackmail spearheaded by a team owner to keep a player.

If he hadn't had a paperwork error, they'd have used laws about keeping military age males in-country to keep him.

Not sure what Moscow had to do with that, Fedotov is from St.Petersburg and was arrested there.

Also what is that paperwork error you are talking about, iirc he was arrested on rather regular Russian military law basis, no?

Anyway, the point was if it was arranged by the CSKA group (Sechin and others) then I don't understand how you can blame the KHL group (Timchenko and others) for this. Not to mention accusing them of not respecting the NHL contract, as if they indeed wouldn't respect it then it is likely that Fedotov would be playing in the KHL already this season.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Not sure what Moscow had to do with that, Fedotov is from St.Petersburg and was arrested there.

Also what is that paperwork error you are talking about, iirc he was arrested on rather regular Russian military law basis, no?

Anyway, the point was if it was arranged by the CSKA group (Sechin and others) then I don't understand how you can blame the KHL group (Timchenko and others) for this. Not to mention accusing them of not respecting the NHL contract, as if they indeed wouldn't respect it then it is likely that Fedotov would be playing in the KHL already this season.

Great! St Petersburg is the other major city where they've been explicitly avoiding making the war felt and avoided pulling people in to be conscripted, so nothing changes; his ties to Moscow make his arrest even more unlikely. He's still an outlier, the timing is still suspicious, it's clear that he's being punished for trying to leave, and won't be allowed to in the future. This is targeted.

CSKA Moscow is in the KHL. The KHL doesn't get to escape. Every high profile Russian prospect is now a risk.

 

[Caser]

Great! St Petersburg is the other major city where they've been explicitly avoiding making the war felt and avoided pulling people in to be conscripted. He's still an outlier, the timing is still suspicious, it's clear that he's being punished for trying to leave, and won't be allowed to in the future. This is targeted.

CSKA Moscow is in the KHL. The KHL doesn't get to escape. Every high profile Russian prospect is now a risk.

CSKA is in the KHL, but it isn't owned by the KHL, they have control over it only in hockey-related stuff, not in something army related. Risk is there, but you can see a lot of Russian prospects signing these days, so maybe they know how to handle these risks.

 

[Beef Invictus]

CSKA is in the KHL, but it isn't owned by the KHL, they have control over it only in hockey-related stuff, not in something army related. Risk is there, but you can see a lot of Russian prospects signing these days, so maybe they know how to handle these risks.

If they're in the league then it's on the league to keep them in compliance with contract agreements. If one of their affiliated owners is violating those agreements, it still falls to the league.

 

[Caser]

If they're in the league then it's on the league to keep them in compliance with contract agreements. If one of their affiliated owners is violating those agreements, it still falls to the league.

Formally they are perfectly compliant, as noone can really prove that they are behind all the stuff we are speculating about and they didn't re-sign him while he was under the contract with the Flyers.

 

[macleish1974]

Formally they are perfectly compliant, as noone can really prove that they are behind all the stuff we are speculating about and they didn't re-sign him while he was under the contract with the Flyers.

Not a clue what you and Beef are discussing but I like your cat….

 

[orangey]

So is the NHL protesting this or are they going to just wait and see what happens when his army service is up and potentially protest it then? I haven't really been following if they have said anything about tampering with their players or whatever since there was supposed to be an agreement in place.

 

[Caser]

Not a clue what you and Beef are discussing but I like your cat….

There are two on the profile pic, and I somehow think you're not talking about the Big Cat aka Andrei Vasilevskiy lol.

 

[macleish1974]

There are two on the profile pic, and I somehow think you're not talking about the Big Cat aka Andrei Vasilevskiy lol.

Oh..you better know Beef is the locomotiv engineer of a Russian armoured train somewhere behind the Volga River near Stalingrad late 1942, early 1943, guns a blazing …..Paulus and the German 6th Army don’t know what hit them…



Nah, just your cat…

 

[Flybynite]

If a player is under KHL contract couldn't they just 'retire' and then come to the NHL and sign a contract in the NHL? It's what Kovalchuk did in reverse...

 

[Caser]

Oh..you better know Beef is the locomotiv engineer of a Russian armoured train somewhere behind the Volga River near Stalingrad late 1942, early 1943, guns a blazing …..Paulus and the German 6th Army don’t know what hit them…

Nah, just your cat…


Oh..you better know Beef is the locomotiv engineer of a Russian armoured train somewhere behind the Volga River near Stalingrad late 1942, early 1943, guns a blazing …..Paulus and the German 6th Army don’t know what hit them…

Nah, just your cat…

My cat recently passed away at the tender age of 19, however he didn't look like Vasilevskiy's cat on the pic, he was a half Siamese half Russian Blue, unfortunately can't find a pic of him now.