Flyers name Alain Vigneault head coach

[Ori]

After the Kaapo Kakko experience when the hockey gods smiled upon us Rangers at the lottery - u know how I feel about wonderkid Ødegaard since I was active in soccer for 9 years.

Yeah I wish it was training camp already and October - it will be an exciting new season for the Rangers.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

Because it plays into the trend of rapidly ballooning coaching salaries ever since Babcock's contract with Toronto. Makes it harder for mid-tier markets to land top coaches and leads to situations where guys like Barry Trotz are allowed to walk after winning a Cup.

But it can't be helped. Who cares.

The salary does not matter when deciding if it was a good signing for the Philadelphia Flyers. We've got Comcast money and the Coyotes aren't trying to sign him -- it just doesn't matter in this thread.

 

[EdmFlyersfan]

That's too bad for those markets that coaches are now finally getting paid what they are worth in relative terms to players...

Because it plays into the trend of rapidly ballooning coaching salaries ever since Babcock's contract with Toronto. Makes it harder for mid-tier markets to land top coaches and leads to situations where guys like Barry Trotz are allowed to walk after winning a Cup.

 

[MMC]

I'd be happy if my team made the finals with him as coach.

Ducks won the cup with Carlyle and made the WCF 2 years ago. I still wouldn't recommend him to anyone.

 

[Tank To Win]

Because it plays into the trend of rapidly ballooning coaching salaries ever since Babcock's contract with Toronto. Makes it harder for mid-tier markets to land top coaches and leads to situations where guys like Barry Trotz are allowed to walk after winning a Cup.

Your statement might make a little more sense if the Florida Panthers didn't sign Joel Quenneville just over a week ago.

 

[Hivemind]

Your statement might make a little more sense if the Florida Panthers didn't sign Joel Quenneville just over a week ago.

They had to pay Q $26.25M for that to happen. That's certainly going to come out of their hockey ops budget.

 

[Machinehead]

Ducks won the cup with Carlyle and made the WCF 2 years ago. I still wouldn't recommend him to anyone.

Yeah but that Rangers team that made the SCF and won a PT had an awful roster

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

As you will find out for yourself very shortly, it's pointless to have your team go that far and literally not be able to ever close the deal.

Enjoy!

News flash. Winning the Cup is hard. So its AVs fault the Rangers lost to a better team in the Cup Final. Zero responsibility on the players. All AV.
At least try and act like you don’t have a bias against the best coach you had since Keenan

 

[Machinehead]

News flash. Winning the Cup is hard. So its AVs fault the Rangers lost to a better team in the Cup Final. Zero responsibility on the players. All AV.
At least try and act like you don’t have a bias against the best coach you had since Keenan

It's not AV's fault we lost. It's AV's fault we lost in 5 games. That was embarrassing for us and he had everything to do with it.

 

[Tank To Win]

They had to pay Q $26.25M for that to happen. That's certainly going to come out of their hockey ops budget.

And they made the choice to do that. It's a business. That's what happens. Would you prefer a coaches salary cap, or is it really not a bad thing for someone to go after as much money as they can get on the free market?

 

[Hivemind]

And they made the choice to do that. It's a business. That's what happens. Would you prefer a coaches salary cap, or is it really not a bad thing for someone to go after as much money as they can get on the free market?

I just lamented that Vigneault (and Quinn) were overpaid compared to their peers with more accolades, and that the inflation in coaching salaries is going to have (and already has) a negative impact on the ability of some franchises to hire/retain preferred coaches. Pointing this out isn't blaming the individual for getting the money they can.

 

[StreetHawk]

It's not AV's fault we lost. It's AV's fault we lost in 5 games. That was embarrassing for us and he had everything to do with it.

I believe Kreider has a pair of great chances to score in the OT games but couldn’t. It was just that close for the rangers.

 

[Machinehead]

I believe Kreider has a pair of great chances to score in the OT games but couldn’t. It was just that close for the rangers.

Those games never should have been in overtime.

AV going into a 0-5 when he has the lead has blown up his face time and time again, and it will continue to do so in Philly because he's never wrong.

 

[Tank To Win]

I just lamented that Vigneault (and Quinn) were overpaid compared to their peers with more accolades, and that the inflation in coaching salaries is going to have (and already has) a negative impact on the ability of some franchises to hire/retain preferred coaches. Pointing this out isn't blaming the individual for getting the money they can.

You claimed that mid-tier franchises will have a difficult time signing big name coaches. I replied with the Panthers recent signing of Q, who, is obviously the big fish in this summer's free agent coaching market. You respond with the dollar amount that they are "forced" to pay him. I really can't ever remember an owner of an NHL team coming out saying that they lost a coach, or couldn't sign a coach because the price was too high.

 

[Maple Leaf]

flyers should hire that cheap shot scott stevens as gm and make philly great again center city baby

 

[Voight]

You've also never lost a finals.

6 times.... including the sweep in 92 :/

 

[Voight]

It's not AV's fault we lost. It's AV's fault we lost in 5 games. That was embarrassing for us and he had everything to do with it.

Poor roster construction is at fault there.

 

[Machinehead]

6 times.... including the sweep in 92 :/

If you remember 92 then I stand corrected.

 

[Hivemind]

I really can't ever remember an owner of an NHL team coming out saying that they lost a coach, or couldn't sign a coach because the price was too high.

Washington Capitals this past summer. They weren't willing to commit to paying Trotz for five more years (which would bring his total tenure in DC to nine years).

 

[swimmer77]

I noticed that some of AV's former NYR players are now in Tampa Bay tearing it up against Columbus.

I mean did the players have any part in these playoff losses that are seemingly only the responsibility of AV in New York?

 

[Tank To Win]

Washington Capitals this past summer. They weren't willing to commit to paying Trotz for five more years (which would bring his total tenure in DC to nine years).

And that was a stipulation in the contract that BOTH sides agreed on. But I understand....why would the Capitals extend the contract of the first, and only coach that has ever brought them a Stanley Cup? Like I said before...It's just business.

 

[aufheben]

I believe that was the year where Talbot and Hank split starts. I can see the Flyers resigning Talbot now since Vigneault is familiar with him

It was twice, CamBot played 36 games during 2014-15, and Antti Raanta played 55 games between 2015-17. Talbot’s first 2 seasons in Edmonton were solid, then it really started dropping. Raanta has obviously been excellent in Arizona. And Georgiev this year was an awesome surprise, all things considered.

The Rangers were also scoring a billion goals during Talbot’s seasons, so credit where it’s due.

 

[PattyLafontaine]

Something something recycled coaches somehing

 

[Hivemind]

And that was a stipulation in the contract that BOTH sides agreed on. But I understand....why would the Capitals extend the contract of the first, and only coach that has ever brought them a Stanley Cup? Like I said before...It's just business.

No, the automatic extension was only for 2 years at less than $2M. Trotz was the one who didn't want that extension to kick in (justifiably so, given the meteoric rise in coaching wages since Babcock's deal). The Capitals honored his request to terminate the contract rather than having the automatic extension kick in, but would not agree to give him the five year deal he was seeking.

 

[TheOneArmedMan]

Stock shares of chewing gum are soaring.

If was Tornto the ACC would charge 10 bucks for a pack lol