Speculation: Flyers interested in Ryan O'Reilly

[wankstifier]

Price Check:

What IS the price for a 55-point well rounded 2c who's overpaid by 1.5 million and has said "he has lost the love of the game?"

Nico Hischier? Nolan Patrick? Ivan Provorov? Zach Werenski? Kyle Connor? Travis Konecny? None of the above?

You just aren't prepared to pay the premium for an Olympic-tier center. How many Hockey Canada players do the Flyers have again? Let me tell ya, 0!

 

[wankstifier]

And yet many of the offers I've seen are the equivalent of "You can't have the prince, the duke, or even the three counts or their servants. We would give you a couple of peasants for him, with the chance of picking another peasant next year!"

The Sabres do not have to move him, and there is no proof they are even trying to do so.

That's fine; ROR is pretty overrated. I'd be comfortable betting on all of Sanheim, Konecny, Patrick, and Provorov individually providing more on ice value than ROR next season.

 

[Broad Street Buddies]

You just aren't prepared to pay the premium for an Olympic-tier center. How many Hockey Canada players do the Flyers have again? Let me tell ya, 0!

I think that Claude Giroux would disagree with you.

 

[Starat327]

You just aren't prepared to pay the premium for an Olympic-tier center. How many Hockey Canada players do the Flyers have again? Let me tell ya, 0!

Seems like hes doing a great job of making Buffalo about as competitive as Hockey Canada, too.

 

[wankstifier]

I think that Claude Giroux would disagree with you.

Seems like hes doing a great job of making Buffalo about as competitive as Hockey Canada, too.

Damn, for some reason I thought O'Reilly had made the team over Giroux at some point. Turns out neither player has represented Hockey Canada at the Olympics. My dumb joke is ruined

 

[Yatzhee]

Konecny? Seriously? Konecny scored 24 goals making one million (not even)... How many goals ROR scored?

How many face offs did Konecny win? How many shut down against top line minutes did Konecny eat?

 

[Yatzhee]

And yet many of the offers I've seen are the equivalent of "You can't have the prince, the duke, or even the three counts or their servants. We would give you a couple of peasants for him, with the chance of picking another peasant next year!"

The Sabres do not have to move him, and there is no proof they are even trying to do so.

Exactly!

 

[olli]

Why would Philly spend assets for another 2 way top 6 C when they already have Couturier?? Add Patrick and Frost and they're set at C for years to come.

 

[Yatzhee]

That's fine; ROR is pretty overrated. I'd be comfortable betting on all of Sanheim, Konecny, Patrick, and Provorov individually providing more on ice value than ROR next season.

Perfect then. No deal to be had here.

 

[Aladyyn]

That's fine; ROR is pretty overrated. I'd be comfortable betting on all of Sanheim, Konecny, Patrick, and Provorov individually providing more on ice value than ROR next season.

ROR was top 20 in on-ice value added this season. Keep dreaming.

 

[tictactoe]

How many face offs did Konecny win? How many shut down against top line minutes did Konecny eat?

Konecny is a wing and does not need to take faceoffs. Pretty sure Flyers is a top faceoff team in NHL. Couturier can shut down against top line with the best of them.

Edit: Top 3 in faceoffs.

 

[hatcher]

Like I said, Philly won't like the cost and want to pay the premium for a player whose position isn't really a concern.

ROR is a damn good center and you get him for 5 years. What do you think the price is gonna be...

Not Patrick or Provy or Konecny.

 

[hatcher]

Oreilly is an awesome player and underrated if anything.

 

[Boxscore]

O'Reilly is a very nice player and isn't overrated on the ice... but has become overrated when it comes to some outlandish trade proposals. Provorov/Patrick/Konecny for ROR??

I could, however, see a deal like...

TO PHI
- O'Reilly
- Ristolainen

TO BUF
- Simmonds
- Lindblom
- Laughton
- Sanheim

Then the Flyers address the wing position at 14 and 19.

The Sabres have Mittelstadt who can step in and be the 2nd line center. They could use the boost on the wings in Simmonds and Lindblom. Sanheim might be more suited for Housley's style than Ristolainen, and the Flyers want a RH defenseman.

 

[Jim Bob]

Over the past three seasons, only 4 centers have averaged 0.7 pts/gp and won 55%+ of their faceoffs:

Giroux
Bergeron
O'Reilly
Toews

Botterill isn't going to trade O'Reilly for a handful of magic beans.

There will have to be a piece or two coming back that causes the GM that is making the trade for O'Reilly to swallow hard before pulling the trigger.

 

[Steddy33]

Oreilly is an awesome player and underrated if anything.

I am constantly left scratching my head wondering if <50% of posters even watch hockey. And every prospect is valued at what said prospect has around a 20% chance of actually being.

 

[Jim Bob]

Why would Philly spend assets for another 2 way top 6 C when they already have Couturier?? Add Patrick and Frost and they're set at C for years to come.

With Giroux and Couts, I don't see why the Flyers would be interested in O'Reilly, either.

The other rumored suitors like Montreal and Carolina make more sense when looking at their center depth, or lack thereof.

 

[nickdawg95]

Price Check:

What IS the price for a 60 point elite 2 two way centre


Nico Hischier? Nolan Patrick? Ivan Provorov? Zach Werenski? Kyle Connor? Travis Konecny? None of the above?

fixed that for you

 

[hatcher]

I am constantly left scratching my head wondering if <50% of posters even watch hockey. And every prospect is valued at what said prospect has around a 20% chance of actually being.

yeah its crazy really LOL. Oreilly is a dog worker that does everything well. its not just about points. Love him on the flyers.

 

[Uberpecker]

O'Reilly is a very nice player and isn't overrated on the ice... but has become overrated when it comes to some outlandish trade proposals. Provorov/Patrick/Konecny for ROR??

I could, however, see a deal like...

TO PHI
- O'Reilly
- Ristolainen

TO BUF
- Simmonds
- Lindblom
- Laughton
- Sanheim

Then the Flyers address the wing position at 14 and 19.

The Sabres have Mittelstadt who can step in and be the 2nd line center. They could use the boost on the wings in Simmonds and Lindblom. Sanheim might be more suited for Housley's style than Ristolainen, and the Flyers want a RH defenseman.

Take out ROR and Risto on Buffalo's side and Simmonds, Lindblom, Laughton. Sanheim on Philly's.

Start from scratch is what I'm saying.

 

[wankstifier]

Over the past three seasons, only 4 centers have averaged 0.7 pts/gp and won 55%+ of their faceoffs:

Giroux
Bergeron
O'Reilly
Toews

Botterill isn't going to trade O'Reilly for a handful of magic beans.

There will have to be a piece or two coming back that causes the GM that is making the trade for O'Reilly to swallow hard before pulling the trigger.

Sure, but I think it's fairly obvious that Patrick and Provorov have more trade value individually than ROR

 

[Starat327]

Sabres fans are well within their rights to ask for a Konecny + package. I certainly wouldnt pay that, but ROR is a fabulous player and has good value.

 

[Rebels57]

Based on this thread, Buffalo is going to be really dissapointed by the return on ROR.

 

[wankstifier]

I think I'd rather have the Flyers target Bozak in UFA. Not too big of a step behind ROR and roughly $3 MM cheaper.

 

[duffy9748]

Sabres fans are well within their rights to ask for a Konecny + package. I certainly wouldnt pay that, but ROR is a fabulous player and has good value.

I think they should hold onto him for at least 2
more years to take the tough minutes away from their young forwards. He’ll still have value in two years to a contender.