Proposal: Florida-Carolina-Winnipeg

[rinne]

This seems like the summer when people have realized that there are two great centers in Panthers' roster. And now they are wanted... It would be cool tho if people had even an basic idea of the value of those two. Horrible proposal after proposal. (And then there were those Borgström proposals too that didn't make too much sense either. Specially Borgström to Habs seemed to be trend for a while...)

Barkov is not moving. He is too good player in a sweetheart contract. (Same goes for Trocheck.) Value-wise only trade with Barkov that would make sense even a little with Winnipeg included is that Scheifele is going other way. And even that doesn't make sense really. Barkov (and Trocheck) won't (or shouldn't) be moved for quantity. Florida needs quality of the same level. Barkov is elite #1C and Trocheck is likely top30 center also. For the next four years Barkov's AAV is $5,9 millions and Trocheck's AAV is $4,75 millions. That is a great value for team that is trying to win.

Barkov is a player that every team would like to have. But his value is so high that trade including him doesn't make sense.

 

[Snowsii]

I think Aho would be Canes 2nd center, not Teräväinen. Anyway, Canes would love this deal, Florida on otherhand would be raped with out lubricant..

 

[Bruce Granville]

Funny...not. Sigh...

 

[Voodoo Child]

Barkov is by far the best player in this exchange and Carolina is getting him without even giving up Aho or Svechnikov?

Slavin is way better than Jacob 'career high 33 points and I miss 15 games a year, and I'm going to arbitration because I want to get the hell out of Winnipeg' Trouba.

I predict JetsHomer saying 'whatever, he was always overrated and shitty!' on the day they lose him for nothing.

 

[Maukkis]

Barkov is by far the best player in this exchange and Carolina is getting him without even giving up Aho or Svechnikov?

Slavin is way better than Jacob 'career high 33 points and I miss 15 games a year, and I'm going to arbitration because I want to get the hell out of Winnipeg' Trouba.

I predict JetsHomer saying 'whatever, he was always overrated and ****ty!' on the day they lose him for nothing.

Because the 34-point career high of Slavin's is groundbreaking, right?

 

[GoldiFox]

Because the 34-point career high of Slavin's is groundbreaking, right?

Last year Trouba averaged 1.5 minutes of PP time per game. Slavin averaged 35 seconds.

The Jets scored 273 goals last year and the Canes scored 225.

So Slavin scores at a similar rate to Trouba on a much worse offensive team with 1/3 the PP time.

Not sure you are trying to combat the argument that Trouba is very often injured. In 5 NHL seasons Trouba has averaged 65 GP. If we are comparing the two Slavin has never missed a game he was eligible for in 3 years.

So Slavin scores at a similar pace without nearly as much PP time and on a team that scores 20% fewer goals. He plays ~20 more games per year. He is signed for $5.3 million x 7 years. Slavin is the same size and age as Trouba.

The only win I see for Trouba over Slavin is that he plays a more physical game whereas Slavin is a gap-control, active stick, positional defender. Game loses the big hits but gains consistency and longevity.

 

[10Ducky10]

Canes would have to add in a Slavin for Trouba deal.
Do the Canes want another RHD?

 

[GoldiFox]

Canes would have to add in a Slavin for Trouba deal.
Do the Canes want another RHD?

Canes already have:
1) A much better #1 RHD in Dougie Hamilton
2) A good 1st pairing RHD in Brett Pesce
3) A great 2nd pairing RHD in Justin Faulk
4) A great 3rd pairing RHD in TVR

Canes are likely the least interested team in Trouba among the entire league.

 

[10Ducky10]

Send us Slavin and we will send you Ehelrs.

 

[BB88]

Canes would have to add in a Slavin for Trouba deal.
Do the Canes want another RHD?

You can bet they wouldn't.

 

[slimbob8]

Florida is not trading Barkov.

Ya really. The guy has reached the level of almost untradeable so there’s never going to be a trade agreed upon. Pieces like Trouba aren’t even in the same ballpark.

 

[heilongjetsfan]

Maybe try to simply this and remove Winnipeg from the proposal as they don't sound interested.

Florida won't trade Barkov but if Staal is going back you wonder if they might trade Trocheck b/c Staal can take all the defensive matchups giving Barkov more Ozone starts and easier minutes. Obviously you'd have to add a big piece to Staal for the offensive downgrade they'd be taking at 2C so one of the Canes top Dmen. But then the Panthers are probably over cap so I don't see how you'd make it work and it would take a big overpayment.

Something like Staal 3m retained, Pesce 1m retained, + Fleury for Trocheck. But I don't think that deal happens from either side.

That's funny, I was kinda thinking the opposite. That I don't really get why you get Barkov AND Roslovic, and would both Winnipeg and Florida be better off leaving the Canes out of it? I do agree that Trochek is probably a more attainable asset than Barkov, though. That said a 2nd line of Laine, Barkov and Ehlers sounds amazing. I'd add more to get that done.

 

[Beezeral]

That's funny, I was kinda thinking the opposite. That I don't really get why you get Barkov AND Roslovic, and would both Winnipeg and Florida be better off leaving the Canes out of it? I do agree that Trochek is probably a more attainable asset than Barkov, though. That said a 2nd line of Laine, Barkov and Ehlers sounds amazing. I'd add more to get that done.

What would you add. Let’s see this deal.

 

[Stickpucker]

@heilongjetsfan not that Florida is willing to trade either center but if Carolina offers Staal @ 3m Pesce at 3m and Fleury for Trocheck, as I listed, what can Winnipeg offer in addition to Trouba with 1 year on his deal to compare to that package for Trocheck much less Barkov?

 

[Kurisu]

I always notice in 3 way trades, one team always get screwed the most.

 

[BB88]

What would you add. Let’s see this deal.

Hoping to see Laine, expecting a 1st.

 

[Guffman]

Where did I say this? 7 years of Trouba > 7 years of Slavin.

Or did I miss where Trouba signed a 2 year contract?

You can’t really say 7 years of Trouba > 7 years of Slavin without knowing the AAV of Trouba’s potential contract.

 

[major major]

I'd rather have Slavin than Trouba (even signed).

But golly is this bad if you think Slavin gets Barkov, much less Barkov + Roslovic. Roslovic looks to me like he'll be a top 6 quality center very soon.

 

[SaskCanesFan]

Canes would have to add in a Slavin for Trouba deal.

Why would that be exactly? I'm not seeing any argument that supports that, especially when this was just posted :

Last year Trouba averaged 1.5 minutes of PP time per game. Slavin averaged 35 seconds.

The Jets scored 273 goals last year and the Canes scored 225.

So Slavin scores at a similar rate to Trouba on a much worse offensive team with 1/3 the PP time.

Not sure you are trying to combat the argument that Trouba is very often injured. In 5 NHL seasons Trouba has averaged 65 GP. If we are comparing the two Slavin has never missed a game he was eligible for in 3 years.

So Slavin scores at a similar pace without nearly as much PP time and on a team that scores 20% fewer goals. He plays ~20 more games per year. He is signed for $5.3 million x 7 years. Slavin is the same size and age as Trouba.

The only win I see for Trouba over Slavin is that he plays a more physical game whereas Slavin is a gap-control, active stick, positional defender. Game loses the big hits but gains consistency and longevity.

 

[The S5]

Trouba > Slavin
Roslovic > Mckeown+2nd

Pass from the Jets

Why would you put Trouba ahead of Slavin. Trouba is quite over rated on these boards while Slavin is the opposite.

 

[Chan790]

Because the 34-point career high of Slavin's is groundbreaking, right?

Slavin is also defensively-elite, like top-5 defensive defensemen in the NHL.

I get that being in the Western Conference Jets' fans don't get to see Slavin much, but he's a whole different level defensively than the also very good defensively Trouba.

 

[Howie Hodge]

A reminder to stop wasting time reading these proposals.

 

[Maukkis]

Last year Trouba averaged 1.5 minutes of PP time per game. Slavin averaged 35 seconds.

The Jets scored 273 goals last year and the Canes scored 225.

So Slavin scores at a similar rate to Trouba on a much worse offensive team with 1/3 the PP time.

Not sure you are trying to combat the argument that Trouba is very often injured. In 5 NHL seasons Trouba has averaged 65 GP. If we are comparing the two Slavin has never missed a game he was eligible for in 3 years.

So Slavin scores at a similar pace without nearly as much PP time and on a team that scores 20% fewer goals. He plays ~20 more games per year. He is signed for $5.3 million x 7 years. Slavin is the same size and age as Trouba.

The only win I see for Trouba over Slavin is that he plays a more physical game whereas Slavin is a gap-control, active stick, positional defender. Game loses the big hits but gains consistency and longevity.

2017-18, at 5v5:

Trouba: 1.22 P/60
Slavin: 0.88 P/60

2016-17:

Trouba: 1.29 P/60
Slavin: 1.03 P/60

That's not even close to a similar pace.

Slavin has the better contract and is just stupidly good defensively, but to suggest that Slavin is equal or better than Trouba offensively is just factually incorrect. It's not that Slavin is bad - averaging just under a point per hour is decent - but rather that Trouba's offensive capabilities are ridiculously underrated on these boards.

 

[Beezeral]

A reminder to stop wasting time reading these proposals.

You should know whats coming the second the word Blockbuster gets used.

 

[Howie Hodge]

You should know whats coming the second the word Blockbuster gets used.

LOL; just like as kids, our moms warning us not to do things, but we still do, and find out why we weren't supposed to, the hard way!