Proposal: Flames / Lightning

[Dache]

Nonsense.

The most likely offer sheet compensation for the two players in question is 2021 1st & 3rd for Cirelli (Up to $6.3 million AAV compensation) and a 2021 2nd for Cernak (Up to $4.2 million AAV).

If those two offer sheets are signed by Cirelli and Cernak the Lightning will have a hard time matching them, and the compensation I've offered in trade is much more than they'd get on those two offer sheets. Don't be obtuse.

They would have a hard time matching both maybe, but not one or the other

 

[Odie Cleghorn]

I know all about Cirelli. He's an awesome two way player, but he's got a goddamn long way to go to be called Patrice Bergeron 2.0 haha. Bergeron made the NHL at 18 years old and by the time he was 21 he already had two 70+ point seasons under his belt, all while being elite defensively. Cirelli finally had a break out season at 23 and will be lucky to ever score 70 points.

Cirelli has played mostly with 3rd liners and put up good numbers. He has 70+ point potential.

 

[Odie Cleghorn]

Personally I'd rather not move Kadri at all...

Id rather offer something around Byram, or Compher + Newhook

That is stupid. Newhook wil be better offensively than Kadri.

 

[DistantThunderRep]

Funny, hes one of the top ranked D prospects in the league. 5th on Dobberprospects rankings.

And Brayden Point is a PPG centre, arguably top 10 centre in the NHL. Them being high is the correct term, yes.

 

[HoseEmDown]

Funny, hes one of the top ranked D prospects in the league. 5th on Dobberprospects rankings.

If you want people to believe Valimaki is a top 5 D prospect you probably shouldn't post a list that has Seider at 17.

 

[Flyer lurker]

If you want people to believe Valimaki is a top 5 D prospect you probably shouldn't post a list that has Seider at 17.

So how many wings fans would add to Seider to acquire Miller?

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

And Brayden Point is a PPG centre, arguably top 10 centre in the NHL. Them being high is the correct term, yes.

Im a bolts fan, he is not a top 10 center but he is top 15.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

If you want people to believe Valimaki is a top 5 D prospect you probably shouldn't post a list that has Seider at 17.

Im posting a list from Dobberprospects that came out last month. Seider will be a great 2nd line RD in Detroit. Valimaki will probably Flames #1

 

[DistantThunderRep]

Im posting a list from Dobberprospects that came out last month. Seider will be a great 2nd line RD in Detroit. Valimaki will probably Flames #1

Probably. Brayden Point is a #1C in the NHL, on a cup contending team.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Probably. Brayden Point is a #1C in the NHL, on a cup contending team.

I feel like you are missing the point. Flames arent going to move Valimaki for Cirelli. They didnt move him for Stone they wont move him for a 2C.

 

[CraigsList]

Honestly, I don't see the fit with the Flames.

Flames have legit young d-men but Lightning have same problem not being able to protect them in ED.

Trades for 1st's are dumb x10000000 for Lightning.

Pelletier is a good start but he isn't enough for Cirelli.

I think there’s a fit. Backlund is great but I’d love for him to be bumped down to the 3rd line.

I’d love a Tkachuk - Cirelli - Mangiapane line.

 

[DistantThunderRep]

I feel like you are missing the point. Flames arent going to move Valimaki for Cirelli. They didnt move him for Stone they wont move him for a 2C.

And I think you completely don't understand the value of a proven commodity for an unproven one at this stage of our team.

 

[HoseEmDown]

Im posting a list from Dobberprospects that came out last month. Seider will be a great 2nd line RD in Detroit. Valimaki will probably Flames #1

WTF! Seider will only be a 2nd pair RD? And Valimaki is going to be a #1? Are we talking about the same players here?

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

As a Flames fan, do not like this.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

WTF! Seider will only be a 2nd pair RD? And Valimaki is going to be a #1? Are we talking about the same players here?

You think Seider will be above Hronek? I personally don't think so. Draft position doesn't mean everything Hanifin was drafted at #5 and Valimaki is projected to be above him in 2 years.

 

[Flyer lurker]

I feel like you are missing the point. Flames arent going to move Valimaki for Cirelli. They didnt move him for Stone they wont move him for a 2C.

There is nothing wrong with keeping a potential top pairing d-man instead of a more established under 25 forward(cough sergachev).

Flip side there is also nothing wrong if TBL fan realizes they can't keep Kylington in ED draft and TBL fan says pass they will keep Cirelli.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

There is nothing wrong with keeping a potential top pairing d-man instead of a more established under 25 forward(cough sergachev).

Flip side there is also nothing wrong if TBL fan realizes they can't keep Kylington in ED draft and TBL fan says pass they will keep Cirelli.

Oh I 100% agree with this, I don't think Tampa would want Kylington, he's not a fit there. The original offer included Dube and Pelletier who are the Flames 2 best forward prospects (if you still count Dube as a prospect) and they aren't exactly bad players to have in your arsenal. Pelletier is probably going to make the NHL and be a decent middle 6 guy and Dube has been really good in this playoffs so far. If he was traded to Tampa I could definitely see him pushing for a 2nd line spot.
These are my 2 favourite teams so I can see both sides of the argument pretty well. I personally really want Tampa to keep Cirelli and hope they can move some of the "less desirable" contracts out instead. On the other hand I also think teams that want to OS him 6M+ are dumb, he is a great shutdown center but I think his offensive production comes from the people he plays with more than from him