GDT: Flames at Canucks - 8:00pm Sportsnet

[Kranix]

It's just pre-season. Brett Leason is top 5 in scoring. Don't torture yourselves just yet.

 

[Mobiandi]

I’m trying to get excited about Huska but he seems like such a cardboard cutout vanilla coach. Gulutzan 2.0

 

[DFF]

I know Sutter was an asshole but do you think Huska is too nice?
These guys tonight are playing like they are in the 4th game of a 6 day road trip.

Lack of top end talent combined with lack of depth do that to you

They have one real star player and he is not a good fit.

Lindholm and Kadri need someone to carry them, not the other way around

Rest are mediocre and there is no top end prospect except maybe Coronato

The wizard escaped and left a mess

 

[Anglesmith]

Soft goals?

Goal #1 was through a screen. Goal #2 was a breakaway and #3 was shelfed from in tight.

You are right about the pre-season though. Get cardio and timing back, and try not to get injured.

Soft goals isn't based on actually watching, it's based on save percentage.

>.900 means the goalie did everything he could and the goals weren't his fault.

<.900 means the goals were soft and it's all the goalie's fault.

 

[Kranix]

Soft goals isn't based on actually watching, it's based on save percentage.

>.900 means the goalie did everything he could and the goals weren't his fault.

<.900 means the goals were soft and it's all the goalie's fault.

People wanted Vladar waived because he allowed 7 against Edmonton: 1 breakaway goal, 5 golden slot chances with no defence, and one where he passed the puck up the middle( that one is on him)

 

[Anglesmith]

People wanted Vladar waived because he allowed 7 against Edmonton: 1 breakaway goal, 5 golden slot chances with no defence, and one where he passed the puck up the middle( that one is on him)

Literally last season in a nutshell.

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

People wanted Vladar waived because he allowed 7 against Edmonton: 1 breakaway goal, 5 golden slot chances with no defence, and one where he passed the puck up the middle( that one is on him)

No one wants Vladar gone. People want to give the best goalie not in the NHL for the past two years a chance to prove he’s a top ten goalie in the world.

 

[Kranix]

No one wants Vladar gone. People want to give the best goalie not in the NHL for the past two years a chance to prove he’s a top ten goalie in the world.

You've wanted Markstrom and Vladar traded for two years. At the first sign of trouble with Markstrom, during an anomalous, out of nowhere bad season, you were proclaiming it should have been Wolf's net already.

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

You've wanted Markstrom and Vladar traded for two years. At the first sign of trouble with Markstrom, during an anomalous, out of nowhere bad season, you were proclaiming it should have been Wolf's net already.

I haven’t been a fan of Markstrom for a while.

-First year he was bad
-second year he was good but the flames gave up some of the fewest scoring chances in the advanced stat era. He was great against the Stars but abysmal versus the Oilers.
-third year he was bad.

We are stuck with him. I expect him to bounce back to about a .905 though.

Vladar is a solid backup but not someone that should be blocking a future elite goalie like Saros. On most teams I’m fine with Vladar. But not one with Dustin Wolf in the wings. This guy is going to be a game changer. He’s a Fox, Gaudreau, Tkachuk caliber talent.

How many seconds + did the flames give up on average goalies?

 

[Mobiandi]

Vladar is still finding his footing in the league. I truly do think he could be a decent starter

 

[Yepthatsme]

People really need to temper their expectations on what Wolf can provide this season. Yes he is the best goalie prospect in hockey and has the potential to be a top 5 goalie in the league but dominating the AHL is a far cry from even being good in the NHL still. He is the best because he is doing at his age, not because of what he’s doing. Just look at the rest of the goalies leading the league behind Wolf, it’s a who’s who of guys who couldn’t make it in the league. Would’ve been nothing wrong with slowly breaking him into the league as a backup, but bringing him in for some starts this season while giving him plenty of time in the AHL to practice what gets identified in his stints with the top team is a perfectly good plan as well.

I also fully believe what some of the insiders have said, the Flames are waiting for Wolf to absolutely force their hand with his play at the NHL level to get rid of a goalie. He didn’t accomplish that this pre season so now he has to utilize his spot starts to do so.worst comes to worse, Vldar becomes even more easily traceable next offseason when he has a year left on his deal.

 

[TheHudlinator]

People really need to temper their expectations on what Wolf can provide this season. Yes he is the best goalie prospect in hockey and has the potential to be a top 5 goalie in the league but dominating the AHL is a far cry from even being good in the NHL still. He is the best because he is doing at his age, not because of what he’s doing. Just look at the rest of the goalies leading the league behind Wolf, it’s a who’s who of guys who couldn’t make it in the league. Would’ve been nothing wrong with slowly breaking him into the league as a backup, but bringing him in for some starts this season while giving him plenty of time in the AHL to practice what gets identified in his stints with the top team is a perfectly good plan as well.

I also fully believe what some of the insiders have said, the Flames are waiting for Wolf to absolutely force their hand with his play at the NHL level to get rid of a goalie. He didn’t accomplish that this pre season so now he has to utilize his spot starts to do so.worst comes to worse, Vldar becomes even more easily traceable next offseason when he has a year left on his deal.

No goalie is all that close to Wolf at all. That doesn't guarantee anything but to pretend he isn't clearly a cut above the rest is under selling him

 

[Iggys Dome]

I’m trying to get excited about Huska but he seems like such a cardboard cutout vanilla coach. Gulutzan 2.0

I would’ve been okay running it back with Sutter even if it meant running Lindholm, Backlund, Hanifin and everyone else out of town. At least we would’ve been forced to rebuild instead of this mediocre bullshit this franchise has made us sit through for my entire life. Huska was the cost effective option for a franchise who is paying Sutter 8M not to coach for us.

This franchises hopes died in the summer of 2022. We are finishing 15th for the forseeable future.

/doompill

 

[Fig]

From 10-0 to 1-3.

What a season! Too bad we didn’t win when it ultimately counted.

 

[Yepthatsme]

No goalie is all that close to Wolf at all. That doesn't guarantee anything but to pretend he isn't clearly a cut above the rest is under selling him

Clearly above the rest of the career AHL goalies*. You are underselling the jump from the AHL to NHL. For example, the goalie you want traded away with picks attached to make room for Wolf authored a 2.19 GAA and a .923 in the AHL before making the jump, which are also dominant numbers. Easing Wolf into the NHL instead of throwing him to the wolves isn’t the worst option to minimize the risks of ruining his mental game.

 

[TheHudlinator]

Clearly above the rest of the career AHL goalies*. You are underselling the jump from the AHL to NHL. For example, the goalie you want traded away with picks attached to make room for Wolf authored a 2.19 GAA and a .923 in the AHL before making the jump, which are also dominant numbers. Easing Wolf into the NHL instead of throwing him to the wolves isn’t the worst option to minimize the risks of ruining his mental game.

No clearly above every goalie in the AHL at the same time. You said it was only because his age his performance was notable when that's just not true his stats are insane as well as being so young.

He has already played more games in the ahl then Vlad and has better numbers. The kid is a stud.

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

Clearly above the rest of the career AHL goalies*. You are underselling the jump from the AHL to NHL. For example, the goalie you want traded away with picks attached to make room for Wolf authored a 2.19 GAA and a .923 in the AHL before making the jump, which are also dominant numbers. Easing Wolf into the NHL instead of throwing him to the wolves isn’t the worst option to minimize the risks of ruining his mental game.

I agree the jump is huge at F and D. Not for goalies.

Ersson, Kochetkov, Skinner, etc. the guys that have graduated in the past few years from the AHL haven’t seen much of a drop off statistically. Really only Thompson saw a big drop off but he was still in the Vezina conversation before he got hurt. Guys like Kochetkov and Lyon actually had better numbers in the NHL than the AHL last year.

Tougher shooters but much less scramble plays that they have no chance on.