Johnny Hoxville
The Return of a Legend
It’s to bad Reaves didn’t sign here. He would have single handedly fix any softness issues we have. A clown like Wilson for example looks like a p***y cat next to him.
Peluso and Prout aren't a part of the core and they also are barely NHL players. Maroon is better than both those guys.Remember when we played Peluso and prout? Yeah, that got us a whole lot of nothing. Maybe add a maroon type to the fourth line is fine, but I wouldn't want anything else tbh.
Why don't we become the Edmonton Oilers lol. At least they don't get pushed around as other teams skate circled around them. We have an identity at this point, and messing with it would be a pretty poor idea imo.
Are you kidding me? I'm not even going to bother much with your response. I never said to change the entire team top to bottom. If you don't see our size as a major issue for playoff hockey, we have nothing to discuss.
We had zero answer for Wilson last night. If you think Andersson getting roughed up at the end of the game is cool, go ahead. It was a ****ing embarrassment and I'm sure the players feel the same way
I think you're overstating things. The problem last night was that we lost. As long as we beat the other team, it's amazing the different perspective that is put on that sort of stuff. Like in the Edmonton game, was it a problem when Kassian attacked Tkachuk? Not at all, it just helped us by putting us on the PP, and we won the game. Would it have been a huge talking point if we'd have lost the game? Absolutely.Are you kidding me? I'm not even going to bother much with your response. I never said to change the entire team top to bottom. If you don't see our size as a major issue for playoff hockey, we have nothing to discuss.
We had zero answer for Wilson last night. If you think Andersson getting roughed up at the end of the game is cool, go ahead. It was a ****ing embarrassment and I'm sure the players feel the same way
No one is suggesting that we "win on toughness", Pittsburgh's toughness was underrated, as is Tampa's. Chicago was far from soft. Do you ever say anything that is actually accurate or do you just make things up because you think they sound good and hope no one realizes you're blowing smoke up their ass?Maybe our players should step up instead? Bennett was a ghost last night, wtf happened to him? We already have guys who can play tough, and they decided to sit back instead. The only player who stepped up was tkachuk. If you think us toughing up is gonna be a difference maker in the playoffs, you are sorely mistaken. Didn't do us any good having ferland and engelland when we got swept by Anaheim anyway, but I guess people still think it's 2003.
Hint hint, Pittsburgh didn't win on toughness. Tampa and Toronto are soft as hell... Chicago was charmin ultra soft. We have more toughness than any of those teams. We lost last night because smith played the puck into oblivion and our guys were rusty, not because Washington laid a few hits.
No one is suggesting that we "win on toughness", Pittsburgh's toughness was underrated, as is Tampa's. Chicago was far from soft. Do you ever say anything that is actually accurate or do you just make things up because you think they sound good and hope no one realizes you're blowing smoke up their ass?
No, it is you that is sorely mistaken if you can't see that a lack of toughness won't help in the playoffs.Maybe our players should step up instead? Bennett was a ghost last night, wtf happened to him? We already have guys who can play tough, and they decided to sit back instead. The only player who stepped up was tkachuk. If you think us toughing up is gonna be a difference maker in the playoffs, you are sorely mistaken. Didn't do us any good having ferland and engelland when we got swept by Anaheim anyway, but I guess people still think it's 2003.
Hint hint, Pittsburgh didn't win on toughness. Tampa and Toronto are soft as hell... Chicago was charmin ultra soft. We have more toughness than any of those teams. We lost last night because smith played the puck into oblivion and our guys were rusty, not because Washington laid a few hits.
No, it is you that is sorely mistaken if you can't see that a lack of toughness won't help in the playoffs.
The reason the Flames didn't succeed with Ferland and Engelland is because they tried to be tough but ultimately lacked skill and depth. When Engelland is in your top 4 and Ferland in your top 6 because you have nothing else to play there, that's a problem.
So now they've addressed the skill and the depth. Adding toughness back into the lineup (in the form of players that are actually effective, not ****ing Peluso and Prout) is a good thing and not at all a detriment like you're making it out to be.
Chicago was not soft at all. Byfuglien, Shaw, Ladd, Hjalmarsson, Seabrook... just to say the least. Pittsburgh wasn't soft. Toronto got tougher by adding Muzzin. Tampa's not soft. Nashville, Winnipeg, Vegas, even San Jose. They are all bigger teams than the Flames and the biggest risk you can take is to not prepare to face all those teams in the playoffs.
Adding someone like Thompson or Maroon would be adding beef. As would adding a defenseman like Kronwall.What does "adding beef" mean to you then? That's where the conversation started, so I don't know where you are going with the rest of your post, but it was pretty clear what Gnome was implying.
I still think toughness is more of an attitude than an attribute in hockey. The Flames played soft yesterday and that's a big reason they lost the game. They were kept to the perimeter in the offensive zone, slowed down by the aggressive checking in the neutral zone, and the Caps forced a lot of turnovers with their physicality in the defensive zone. That was the defending Stanley Cup Champs bringing their playoff game after losing 7 straight. The Flames had one forward credited with more than 2 hits and that was Hathaway. Monahan and Jankowski didn't have one between them. That's 12'4 412 lbs of center that are completely uninvolved physically. I don't care that that's not "their game", the game they're being paid millions to play is hockey and physicality is a component of it.
It's like 2, maybe 3 people disagreeing with you. Saying nobody gets it is insulting to those of us who do and agree.ugh...Nobody gets it, whatever, I'm out. Hopefully Treliving figures this out or we are playoff doomed. If you think kids like Tkachuk and bennett can handle the heavies we'll have to go through to the cup, you don't have a clue how intimidation in hockey works.
It’s to bad Reaves didn’t sign here. He would have single handedly fix any softness issues we have. A clown like Wilson for example looks like a ***** cat next to him.
No one is suggesting that we "win on toughness", Pittsburgh's toughness was underrated, as is Tampa's. Chicago was far from soft. Do you ever say anything that is actually accurate or do you just make things up because you think they sound good and hope no one realizes you're blowing smoke up their ass?
I still think toughness is more of an attitude than an attribute in hockey. The Flames played soft yesterday and that's a big reason they lost the game. They were kept to the perimeter in the offensive zone, slowed down by the aggressive checking in the neutral zone, and the Caps forced a lot of turnovers with their physicality in the defensive zone. That was the defending Stanley Cup Champs bringing their playoff game after losing 7 straight. The Flames had one forward credited with more than 2 hits and that was Hathaway. Monahan and Jankowski didn't have one between them. That's 12'4 412 lbs of center that are completely uninvolved physically. I don't care that that's not "their game", the game they're being paid millions to play is hockey and physicality is a component of it.
Chicago was far from "soft" though were built far differently than LA and Anaheim which were 2 teams built on size and intimidation. Chicago though was still the better team and used their skill wisely.
Reaves would have been out there on a 6 on 5 to protect Gaudreau?
Reaves would have called this blatant interference:
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I guess I beg to differ.
If you really want toughness out there it needs to be a guy like Bennett out there 6v5 instead of a softy like Monahan. No one remembers the Reaves' they remember the Lindros and Messiers because they actually go out there in key situations.
And saying the team got pushed around is because they lack toughness is an overreaction. They got pushed around because the fix was in. The refs were doing everything to get the Ovi-less Caps their first win in their last eight games and it showed. Those punks got away with everything. Our team pushed back just fine but we were not allowed to breathe on them without phantom calls. They doubled us up on power plays but I sincerely do not agree that they had half the penalties we did.
And finally if they carried more of the play than us, it was not because they were more big and physical - it was because they were more intense, wanted it more (which they should given their losing streak and our winning streak), and because our #3 defenseman was replaced by our ostensibly #6 defenseman in virtually every key situation.