Fantasy GM Thread | Part XII: Free Agency Looms

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Juolevi has negative trade value

I can't think of a way for someone who isn't under contract to have a negative trade value.

 

[Melvin]

I don't know how Juolevi didn't accept his qualifying offer. He doesn't really have anything to point at and say "see I deserve more."

Also, Drance mentioned in a recent vancast it would benefit Juolevi to come in cheaper. If it's between him, Rathbone, and Hunt for a roster spot and both guys come in 100k + cheaper, they'll go with the cheap guy.

I don't think I agree with that. Rathbone seems clearly superior to Juolevi and Hunt, to me.

 

[Bankerguy]

If the Canucks show real improvement this coming season, I bet they'll to go hard after a RHS Dman in the next year UFA batch.
Not a lot of them available though. Parayko or Pulock would be ideal but they'll probably be resigned

 

[m9]

If the Canucks show real improvement this coming season, I bet they'll to go hard after a RHS Dman in the next year UFA batch.
Not a lot of them available though. Parayko or Pulock would be ideal but they'll probably be resigned

Hamonic, Poolman, Myers and Schenn are all signed for at least 2 years. So maybe it still happens.. but they've locked into that right side as of now.

 

[bertuzzi2bure]

I can't think of a way for someone who isn't under contract to have a negative trade value.

lmao. such a dumb hfboard canuck fan thing to say by that guy. joulevi most definitely does NOT have negative value.

 

[krutovsdonut]

If the Canucks show real improvement this coming season, I bet they'll to go hard after a RHS Dman in the next year UFA batch.
Not a lot of them available though. Parayko or Pulock would be ideal but they'll probably be resigned

with all the cap committed this year, they will have trouble re-signing their rfas next year, let alone adding players.

 

[Bobby9]

If Myers was replaced with a quality 2nd pairing Dman I would be pretty happy with our group.

 

[Bojack Horvatman]

I can't think of a way for someone who isn't under contract to have a negative trade value.

Yup. However his trade value is practically zero now, as he is eligible for waivers I'm pretty sure.

 

[CanuckleBerry]

If Myers was replaced with a quality 2nd pairing Dman I would be pretty happy with our group.

Jersey seems to have a raging hard-on for "puck moving defencemen". Wonder if those bozos would trade Severson for Myers.

 

[Nucker101]

Jersey seems to have a raging hard-on for "puck moving defencemen". Wonder if those bozos would trade Severson for Myers.

Aren't they going more analytical with their approach? Severson was an analytical darling this past season and Myers is a disaster, they'd probably laugh and hang up before Benning could finish offering the trade.

 

[dbaz]

Myers for debrusk and then sign vatanen?
Frees up more cap space hughes/pettersson and bonuses this year

 

[Skirbs1011]

Are Brian Burke and Ron Hextall the only dumb enough duo that might want to trade for Myers?

Myers for Marino?

We get a younger RHD with potential upside and save a little bit of capspace

 

[Diamonddog01]

Myers for Drouin? Myers would be decent with Chiarot on the 3rd paring and Drouin is way easier to buyout.

 

[StickShift]

Are Brian Burke and Ron Hextall the only dumb enough duo that might want to trade for Myers?

Myers for Marino?

We get a younger RHD with potential upside and save a little bit of capspace

I think we missed our shot trading Myers to Philly. Rutherford would've given us a 1st for Myers. Instead they got Ristolainen.

I think Nashville and Columbus are two other teams that could be interested in a player like Myers. Their right-side defense each has so few NHL games experience, they have tonnes of cap-space, and they low-key could really use a tank commander like Myers to soak up the ice-time.

 

[VanillaCoke]

Imagine thinking dimjim has any thoughts let alone desire to trade Myers.

 

[WishfulThinker]

Feels like these are the big things to deal with in this 'window'

• Trading Myers
• Finding a top 4 RHD who is good-great defensively
• Trading Miller while his value is high to a team desperate for a top 6 'center'
• Finding a Miller replacement (cost controlled top 6 forward with a solid mixture of faceoff/physicality/defense/scrappy offensive capabilities)

I just don't think we can keep both Horvat and Miller at the prices they will want after this year. And personally I keep Horvat. Of course there are still the miracle scenarios where Miller takes a discount to stay and Myers reinvents himself as a defense-first guy...

 

[vancityluongo]

Feels like these are the big things to deal with in this 'window'

• Trading Myers
• Finding a top 4 RHD who is good-great defensively
• Trading Miller while his value is high to a team desperate for a top 6 'center'
• Finding a Miller replacement (cost controlled top 6 forward with a solid mixture of faceoff/physicality/defense/scrappy offensive capabilities)

I just don't think we can keep both Horvat and Miller at the prices they will want. And personally I keep Horvat. Of course there are still the miracle scenarios where Miller takes a discount to stay and Myers reinvents himself as a defense-first guy...

that's some wishful thinking dude

 

[canuckking1]

Feels like these are the big things to deal with in this 'window'

• Trading Myers
• Finding a top 4 RHD who is good-great defensively
• Trading Miller while his value is high to a team desperate for a top 6 'center'
• Finding a Miller replacement (cost controlled top 6 forward with a solid mixture of faceoff/physicality/defense/scrappy offensive capabilities)

I just don't think we can keep both Horvat and Miller at the prices they will want after this year. And personally I keep Horvat. Of course there are still the miracle scenarios where Miller takes a discount to stay and Myers reinvents himself as a defense-first guy...

Garland is likely the Miller replacement IMO.

 

[bossram]

Feels like these are the big things to deal with in this 'window'

• Trading Myers
• Finding a top 4 RHD who is good-great defensively
• Trading Miller while his value is high to a team desperate for a top 6 'center'
• Finding a Miller replacement (cost controlled top 6 forward with a solid mixture of faceoff/physicality/defense/scrappy offensive capabilities)

I just don't think we can keep both Horvat and Miller at the prices they will want after this year. And personally I keep Horvat. Of course there are still the miracle scenarios where Miller takes a discount to stay and Myers reinvents himself as a defense-first guy...

The bolded is Benning's White Whale. Literally impossible for him to accomplish.

And trading players while "their value is high" is not exactly a Benning MO either. Most likely Miller just walks. That's more Benning's style.

 

[canuckking1]

Speculation: - Kirill Kaprizov has tentative agreement on 8-figure deal in KHL

I'd say Kaprizov is probably the comparable Boeser's camp will use. Similar age/production. If Kaprizov get 9-10M on short term it really screws up the market.

 

[GranvilleIsland]

Speculation: - Kirill Kaprizov has tentative agreement on 8-figure deal in KHL

I'd say Kaprizov is probably the comparable Boeser's camp will use. Similar age/production. If Kaprizov get 9-10M on short term it really screws up the market.

If Boeser wants 9 to 10m he better improve his skating leaps and bounds from where it is now.

 

[canuckking1]

If Boeser wants 9 to 10m he better improve his skating leaps and bounds from where it is now.

I wouldn’t pay a winger 9-10M unless they were in the elite of the elite anyways. I think 7.5x5 maybe push it to 8 for boeser would be fair. Wouldn’t go higher than that because I don’t value the winger position that much.

 

[Melvin]

The bolded is Benning's White Whale. Literally impossible for him to accomplish.

And trading players while "their value is high" is not exactly a Benning MO either. Most likely Miller just walks. That's more Benning's style.

I think the op is assuming the “new window” includes a new Gm. There is a zero percent chance Benning does any of the things on this list.

 

[Shellshockedfrom2011]

I think trading Rathbone might be an option. He is tracking like a very good 1st rounder but his value may allow us to get a quality RD who could play shutdown minutes. He is definitely better than Juloevi and Hunt but I believe one of those two would be adequate 6Ds. If they flop then a decent 3rd pairing LD could be had for cheap during the season.

I propose that we consider moving him plus Myers to a team with ample caproom in exchange for a very good defensive or two-way RD.

Myers is a fairly versatile 4-5 Dman with veteran leadership and grit but he can't be effective with Hughes or play a shutdown role with OEL. That leaves him as a strictly 3rd pairing Dman. At 6M that really hurts our team and cap structure going forward.

A few targets with a basis of Rathbone plus Myers for a good RD plus most likely a decent to good prospect

Ottawa Senators

Zub - Good defensive d-man who is a former teammate of Podz.

Zaitsev - Might be closer to Myers but if he's better defensively than I think he may be a viable target. Would need a very good prospect in addition

Devils

Severson - would look great with Hughes or OEL

Preds

Fabbro - Local kid. Not sure how his defensive game is progressing. If it's good enough then he would be a great add.

Ducks

Manson - Would be good but he might command a fair bit of money next contract

There are definitely a few more potential options for RD using this package but I haven't watched enough non-Canucks games recently to evaluate those RD. It definitely isn't ideal to deal Rathbone but I think the team could be better for the next few years if we made a deal in this vein.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

I think trading Rathbone might be an option. He is tracking like a very good 1st rounder but his value may allow us to get a quality RD who could play shutdown minutes. He is definitely better than Juloevi and Hunt but I believe one of those two would be adequate 6Ds. If they flop then a decent 3rd pairing LD could be had for cheap during the season.

I propose that we consider moving him plus Myers to a team with ample caproom in exchange for a very good defensive or two-way RD.

Myers is a fairly versatile 4-5 Dman with veteran leadership and grit but he can't be effective with Hughes or play a shutdown role with OEL. That leaves him as a strictly 3rd pairing Dman. At 6M that really hurts our team and cap structure going forward.

A few targets with a basis of Rathbone plus Myers for a good RD plus most likely a decent to good prospect

Ottawa Senators

Zub - Good defensive d-man who is a former teammate of Podz.

Zaitsev - Might be closer to Myers but if he's better defensively than I think he may be a viable target. Would need a very good prospect in addition

Devils

Severson - would look great with Hughes or OEL

Press

Fabbro - Local kid. Not sure how his defensive game is progressing. If it's good enough then he would be a great add.

Ducks

Manson - Would be good but he might command a fair bit of money next contract

There are definitely a few more potential options for RD using this package but I haven't watched enough non-Canucks games recently to evaluate those RD. It definitely isn't ideal to deal Rathbone but I think the team could be better for the next few years if we made a deal in this vein.

To me..it comes down to whether Rathbone can be an all situational type d-man (top 4 ,PK and PP).?..If he can, we keep him..

Also, it depends on OEL..how does he play..?..There's no point in moving JR if OEL starts falling off a cliff ..(as he gets older).

I see where you're coming from ..but moving JR would be a last ditch resort..IMO