Fantasy GM Thread | Part XII: Free Agency Looms

[SelltheTeamFrancesco]

Eichel and Pettersson are about equal, with Eichel having the potential to be a tier above. Dahlin is superior to Hughes, and is going to be a top 5 d-man in the league for a long time.

I don't get attached to players. Eichel and Dahlin would make the Canucks a better team.

If you think Petterssons and Eichel values are the same or even similar their is no point of even having this discussion.

 

[Petey O]

If you think Petterssons and Eichel values are that same or even similar their is no point of of even having this discussion.

You do you. We have different opinions.

 

[canuckking1]

Eichel and Pettersson are about equal, with Eichel having the potential to be a tier above. Dahlin is superior to Hughes, and is going to be a top 5 d-man in the league for a long time.

I don't get attached to players. Eichel and Dahlin would make the Canucks a better team.

Dahlin has been significantly worse than Hughes at the NHL level but okay.

 

[Bankerguy]

I think Pearson will utilize his full NTC and block a trade personally.

Didnt even know he had a ntc. Whyyyyyyyy

 

[vanuck]

I agree. There are only two possibilities - we sign him to a bloated contract, or he walks. There will be no trading JT under Benning

This. This is da way.

But in all seriousness... can't have cap issues if you never re-sign your UFA's. *taps head*

 

[DonnyNucker]

Didnt even know he had a ntc. Whyyyyyyyy

For one year, 2 year he has to submit a list of 7 teams he won’t go to. 3rd year, no restrictions

 

[alternate]

I don't think Miller gets moved at the TDL, but if at the end of the season RD is still as big a need as it appears to be right now, moving JT in the offseason would ake sense. Especially if Podkolzin has a strong season.

Wouldn't move Boeser unless it was for a sure fire homerun top pairing RD.

 

[ratbid]

Domi is on the trading block.
I was toying with the idea of a Pearson for Domi swap AFTER Petey and Hughes are resigned. Domi makes $2M more than Pearson but Pearson is on a three year deal and Domi only has 1 year. This would create cap space in year 2 and 3.
The reason i thought of Pearson was because i'm not a huge fan of his contract, especially in year 2 and 3 and Columbus needs left wings.
Not sure if there'll be $2M in extra cap space after the RFA's are resigned though

If Domi came at 50% and didn't cost much in terms of trade value I'd for sure give it a go. Remember him and Bo were lights out in London and really close friends. Might keep Max focused a little more. Plus he wants to play centre and the idea of a line of
Garland - Domi - Hoglander sounds like pure chaos (perhaps the mighty midgets line).

 

[CanuckCity]

I dont see the recent D contracts negatively affecting us in regards to Hughes. Werenski/Jones/Nurse arent comparable at all. Heiskanen & Makar set the RFA elite dman market but they are both significantly better at this stage. Long-term (as of now) Hughes value probably slots in just under Heiskanen at 7-8. I'd do 7 long-term, hesitantly do 7.5-8, and be concerned to match Heiskanens 8.5. He probably believes he can be worth more than 7's, and we probably want to know he can tread water defensively before going into the 8's.

Therefore, all signs still point to a bridge a la McAvoy/Werenski's previous in the 5.5-6.5 range.

Really dont see how anything has changed.

Petey, however, i'd risk overpaying now to get a deal for the later half of a long-term.

 

[Bankerguy]

I just want to say that moving Jt. Miller or Boeser to get a RD doesnt make us that much better. We lose depth up front to fill a hole in the back-end.
I would rather just wait for next year and try to snag a RD via the UFA market.
Losing a top line forward takes our offense from arguably top 10 in the league to that 15-20 range.

Making moves that just shifts "holes" in the team from one area to another is overall detrimental since there is a bit of a stigma or morale hit when you move a core piece ...especially when you don't get significantly better having done so.

 

[Bankerguy]

If Domi came at 50% and didn't cost much in terms of trade value I'd for sure give it a go. Remember him and Bo were lights out in London and really close friends. Might keep Max focused a little more. Plus he wants to play centre and the idea of a line of
Garland - Domi - Hoglander sounds like pure chaos (perhaps the mighty midgets line).

yes, i forgot to inlude that in my original post. Him and Bo are tight and the fact Domi can play C (wants to) adds options and potential depth.
i'd make that move even if Domi was only 25% retained. I think Perason is on the downward trend and next year he'll be 3rd liner, 18 point guy, then a 4th liner the year after and then a healthy scratch in year 3.
However, as the poster above noted, i forogt that he has a NTC....so moving him likely isnt an option.

 

[CanuckleBerry]

I just want to say that moving Jt. Miller or Boeser to get a RD doesnt make us that much better. We lose depth up front to fill a hole in the back-end.

I think the point to make here regarding Miller is that losing him for nothing makes us MUCH worse. Whereas trading him before he hits Free Agency for an asset on defense at the least helps keep an even keel for the future.

I just don't see a way we can resign Miller to a raise, nor does it make sense when he hits the age of 30. Bold decisions need to be made sometimes.

 

[Fatass]

I think the point to make here regarding Miller is that losing him for nothing makes us MUCH worse. Whereas trading him before he his Free Agency for an asset on defense at the least helps keep an even keel for the future.

I just don't see a way we can resign Miller to a raise, nor does it make sense when he hits the age of 30. Bold decisions need to be made sometimes.

Yup. Trade Miller to a cup contender for younger assets.

 

[vanuck]

I think the point to make here regarding Miller is that losing him for nothing makes us MUCH worse. Whereas trading him before he his Free Agency for an asset on defense at the least helps keep an even keel for the future.

I just don't see a way we can resign Miller to a raise, nor does it make sense when he hits the age of 30. Bold decisions need to be made sometimes.

Yup. If we're out of the playoffs again in 2022, I would look to move Miller for a U25 defender who can grow with the younger core guys. This 'hanging onto veterans because we want to seem competitive and letting them walk for nothing' bulls*** has to stop.

And honestly at that point, if you're going to trade Miller you might as well move Horvat too... as sad as that makes me.

 

[Bankerguy]

I think the point to make here regarding Miller is that losing him for nothing makes us MUCH worse. Whereas trading him before he his Free Agency for an asset on defense at the least helps keep an even keel for the future.

I just don't see a way we can resign Miller to a raise, nor does it make sense when he hits the age of 30. Bold decisions need to be made sometimes.

Fair, but we have him this year and next year so this conversation should maybe happen part-way through the 2022/2023 season once we see where we're at in terms of contending. Also, if he has two good years, he may take a slight discount and only cost a million more when resigned.

 

[AppleHoneySauce]

Fair, but we have him this year and next year so this conversation should maybe happen part-way through the 2022/2023 season once we see where we're at in terms of contending. Also, if he has two good years, he may take a slight discount and only cost a million more when resigned.

The problem isn't just Cost. Its also age. Their is a very good chance that at age thirty he gonna want one more long term big money contract and that could really bite us with the style how Players like miller Age.

 

[Ottobot]

Is it a good bet Pittsburgh is Miller’s top UFA choice?

 

[Hammman]

 

[Lindgren]

I don't think it's a good idea. They don't need another good experienced AHLer or a tweener. They should be giving any remaining spots to undrafted FAs from the CHL or NCAA, or even Europe, who have remote chances to be home-runs.

 

[Get North]

He has been in the organization longer than Chatfield. If he ever makes it, he'll owe it to Vancouver for giving him 7 years to figure it out.

 

[Skirbs1011]

He has been in the organization longer than Chatfield. If he ever makes it, he'll owe it to Vancouver for giving him 7 years to figure it out.

I don't think anyone expects him to make it, like the tweet says solid piece for Abby.

We are building a whole roster on a new AHL team, we need need reliable players down there.

 

[ratbid]

yes, i forgot to inlude that in my original post. Him and Bo are tight and the fact Domi can play C (wants to) adds options and potential depth.
i'd make that move even if Domi was only 25% retained. I think Perason is on the downward trend and next year he'll be 3rd liner, 18 point guy, then a 4th liner the year after and then a healthy scratch in year 3.
However, as the poster above noted, i forogt that he has a NTC....so moving him likely isnt an option.

Yeah Pearson isn't going anywhere. As long as he plays 3rd line then he's a fine player just (as usual) a little overpaid. I think next year could be interesting on a guy like him. I imagine players with young families really felt the toll of playing a year like last year and constantly worried about their health and their families health. I could see him bouncing back a bit with a proper summer off and a slightly more normal year. But maybe that's optimistic, we will see.

As to Domi, yeah if we could fit it I'd try it as a reclamation project for sure, since he has one year left.

 

[David71]

could Olli juoveli be traded if he doesn't accept his QO? maybe a fresh start somewhere.

 

[rypper]

I don't know how Juolevi didn't accept his qualifying offer. He doesn't really have anything to point at and say "see I deserve more."

Also, Drance mentioned in a recent vancast it would benefit Juolevi to come in cheaper. If it's between him, Rathbone, and Hunt for a roster spot and both guys come in 100k + cheaper, they'll go with the cheap guy.

 

[m9]

I haven't really heard/seen it mentioned, but Juolevi's qualifying offer would have been a two-way contract so it made no sense for him to sign it. I suspect he is negotiating a 1-way deal between 750-850k which will help the Canucks cap while still guaranteeing he gets paid.