Speculation: Fantasy GM and Rumor Roundup Thread | "Trader Jim" gearing up for TDL

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

if we could get rid of players like Dickinson/ Pearson/ Poolman/ Hamonic or even Myers that would be amazing. Going to have to get real creative and/or hope GMs owe JR some favours.

Dickenson has been a total failure..a defensive specialist, who excels on the PK (as ours sits in the 32nd spot)..I'd be amazed if JR could ship that contract out.

I'd be surprised if he moved Myers..Pearson isn't overpaid, neither is Hamonic..Poolman is overpaid by $5ooK.

What JR needs to do, is move our Hamonic and Poolman for one good #4 RHD

These quotes sound like they were lifted from his podcast a few days ago.

 

[rypper]

Hughes being out for a handful of games sure has to help management make their decisions. (Although I think they've already made up their minds about how the trade deadline will go.)

 

[Orca Smash]

Going to be f***ing pissed if Miller isn’t traded.

Boeser should be his value is likely all time low.

This better be posturing and not having this team somehow trick Ruth and Al into believing they are better than they are.

Well the offers have to be good enough, can't just trade miller for the sake of it if the offers are not good enough. In which case they may revisit this in the off season where teams are not out of it and you may have more options.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

Hughes being out for a handful of games sure has to help management make their decisions. (Although I think they've already made up their minds about how the trade deadline will go.)

Hughes is going to be out this whole homestand..That should end most discussion about the playoffs.

 

[Canucker]

Dickenson has been a total failure..a defensive specialist, who excels on the PK (as ours sits in the 32nd spot)..I'd be amazed if JR could ship that contract out.

I'd be surprised if he moved Myers..Pearson isn't overpaid, neither is Hamonic..Poolman is overpaid by $5ooK.

What JR needs to do, is move our Hamonic and Poolman for one good #4 RHD

IMO, the thing about Dickinson is that he has a reasonable track record prior to coming to Vancouver, it just hasn't worked out for him here...I don't see him as some sort of albatross contract we're stuck with, he's overpaid...as Jimbo was apt at doing, but its not by an overwhelming amount. I could very easily see him in a "money in/money out" trade scenario.

I would argue that Pearson was overpaid when he was re-signed based on the level he was playing at when he did re-sign...he's been playing well enough now that it looks reasonable, but at the time of signing...eww.

 

[Bojack Horvatman]

Now that I think about it, Miller could potentially get more in the off season if its a sign and trade.

 

[theguardianII]

What would Petey get? Might be something.
What could Hughes get?

Would Buffalo let go of Dahlin now they have Power?
Would NJD step up for Hughes and ?

Both teams are much closer to contender status than the Canucks, both have a bushel basket of prospects and picks as well as some pretty good players they might surrender if offered enough.
One aspect of revising this team is from the base up. The cap. Maybe only contracts are looked at and what a player could get in return.
A clean slate so to speak.

Think of this group as an expansion team with some valuabe assets to trade. Cap space is so much more important than most fans understand.

Both receent expansion teams are ahead of the Canucks in developing their teams mostly because they had a clean slate in the cap and were able to do anything to get more picks or sign high priced FAs that were not over the expiry date.

If moving Petey and Hughes returned 4 players and picks, top six forwards and top 4 defense men and not top 4 or top six as this team is now, but NHL top team calibre for less money why not?

This team is easily 3 years away from being an up and coming contender threat and not a team that is struggling to merely make the playoffs.

 

[supercanuck]

Now that I think about it, Miller could potentially get more in the off season if its a sign and trade.

I'm coming around to this idea too now. The top teams are "set" for the most part at this point in the season. Take a team like Colorado who already has Kadri as a #2. Sure Miller would be a great add for any team but they probably won't be willing to give up too much. When they once again don't win the Cup this year, they will be in desperation mode with both Kadri and Burakovsky as UFAs and MacK only one year left on his sweetheart deal.

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

Looks like some of the medias are unhappy that the new management group isn’t being transparent

 

[Jyrki21]

Looks like some of the medias are unhappy that the new management group isn’t being transparent

I think he's just observing that it's a bit weird, and it is. Podcasts and the like still discuss "Rutherford's options at the trade deadline" and "We'll see what Rutherford wants to do here" as though he's still the interim GM. It's like everyone just collectively forgot a GM was hired.

 

[Canucker]

Now that I think about it, Miller could potentially get more in the off season if its a sign and trade.

Potentially...but if the Canucks are willing to retain salary and a team gets him for 2 playoff runs at a very controllable rate, thats a pretty big bonus. Either way, they should be able to cash in that chip for a substantial haul.

 

[VanillaCoke]

Rutherford is an alpha so it makes sense, and I'd imagine Patrik is extremely busy right now.

 

[racerjoe]

Going to be f***ing pissed if Miller isn’t traded.

Boeser should be his value is likely all time low.

This better be posturing and not having this team somehow trick Ruth and Al into believing they are better than they are.

Why should we trade Boeser if his value is at an all time low? Conversely why should we trade at the deadline given your other statements?

I think the team needs major change, but I am against change for changes sake. Let’s make smart moves to build a real winner.

 

[Vector]

Rob Fai doesn't even cover the Canucks anymore.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Why should we trade Boeser if his value is at an all time low? Conversely why should we trade at the deadline given your other statements?

I think the team needs major change, but I am against change for changes sake. Let’s make smart moves to build a real winner.

I meant he should be but it's unlikely given his value is at an all-time low.

I just don't see Miller's trade value being an higher than it will be at the TDL. It gives a contender 2 years worth of playoffs with Miller. If they wait, he's just an expiring asset so you might as well wait till next year's TDL.

All this talk from media sources after Rutherford came in was that there would be fireworks.

And now the talk is at best a roman candle by trying to trade a couple shit contracts to create cap space.

The team is just not good enough even at full strength. Some of the big boys need to go.

 

[Dab]

Buckle up boyos I truly get the feeling that anything can happen!

 

[Tact]

I think a lot of fans will be disappointed this TDL

 

[Scorvat]

Trading Schenn makes alot of sense. We got to aim higher then Schenn next year for a partner for Hughes

We have 3 rhd that are signed cheap next season. 4 if you can count Woo, who at this point we should push up to see if we have anything there. All of them are similarish playstyle wise with Schenn having the most value

Free up a contract slot and take the likely 2/3/4 round pick you will get for Burroughs or Schenn.

 

[racerjoe]

I meant he should be but it's unlikely given his value is at an all-time low.

I just don't see Miller's trade value being an higher than it will be at the TDL. It gives a contender 2 years worth of playoffs with Miller. If they wait, he's just an expiring asset so you might as well wait till next year's TDL.

All this talk from media sources after Rutherford came in was that there would be fireworks.

And now the talk is at best a roman candle by trying to trade a couple shit contracts to create cap space.

The team is just not good enough even at full strength. Some of the big boys need to go.

I think it is a toss up if he is more valuable now, or in the off-season. Two playoff runs could easily be eclipsed in value by more teams in on him. I think you just wait for a deal with what you want and take it.

Again we agree the team isn’t good enough but we won’t get better by just making moves to say we made moves.

 

[Scorvat]

I think a lot of fans will be disappointed this TDL

Meh the only players that seem likely/should get traded are Motte, Halak and one of the dman. I think people will be reasonable if they hold off on a JT/Brock for now and its difficult to get rid of the expansive role players right now

 

[iceburg]

From a cap flexibility standpoint trading any one of:
Boeser
Horvat
Miller
Garland
OEL
Myers

or any two of:
Pearson
Dickinson
Poolman

would get them where they need to be.


Of course some of these contracts are harder to move than others. That said, before this year I would have said, and probably did say, that the Myers contract is not moveable. But at $5.5M in real dollars average in each of the last two years, there could be some takers.

 

[F A N]

Now that I think about it, Miller could potentially get more in the off season if its a sign and trade.

I'm coming around to this idea too now. The top teams are "set" for the most part at this point in the season. Take a team like Colorado who already has Kadri as a #2. Sure Miller would be a great add for any team but they probably won't be willing to give up too much. When they once again don't win the Cup this year, they will be in desperation mode with both Kadri and Burakovsky as UFAs and MacK only one year left on his sweetheart deal.

It really depends on the type of package the team is seeking. Trading Miller near the deadline = 2 playoff runs. That theoretically SHOULD offer more value to a contender or a team pushing for the playoffs. Teams often overpay near the deadline. But those teams are less likely to trade a significant roster player and that typical 1st round pick is going to be a late one. A team that is out of the playoffs doesn't have much incentive to add Miller now. Might as wait until after the lottery balls have fallen if a 1st round pick is involved.

Waiting until the draft to trade Miller opens up more options. There will be other teams who have a chance to review their roster and UFA options who would target Miller. These teams will likely be more willing to part with a significant roster player. But they won't be desperate.

If the goal is get the highest draft pick in next summer's draft, you're not likely to get it from trading Miller at the deadline. The best package will probably come from a team who is willing to part with a "prospect." Take the Wild, if they intend to go all in, they might have gone from wanting to trade Fiala to being willing to trade Rossi instead.

 

[M2Beezy]

Rutherford is an alpha so it makes sense, and I'd imagine Patrik is extremely busy right now.

Busy as in doing the draft simulator over and over like his predecessor??

 

[Nucker101]

Didn’t Allvin already do his introductory press conference over Zoom?

Not sure what Rob Fai is expecting here.

 

[F A N]

Didn’t Allvin already do his introductory press conference over Zoom?

Not sure what Rob Fai is expecting here.

It also coincided with the all star break. I suppose to start the expectation is that there would be a video of him shaking Rutherford, Aquilini, Smyl (and maybe the Sedins) hands, meeting the players and staff etc.