FA/Trade Thread 2014-15 Season V.11 - Trade Deadline Approaching

[johnny_rudeboy]

This was posted by another Leafs fan recently:



To which I responded:



Franson is going to get more than a lot of people here think.

I think Franson can get us a late 1st. I do not think he can get us another teams blue chipper.

 

[-DeMo-]

This was posted by another Leafs fan recently:



To which I responded:



Franson is going to get more than a lot of people here think.

did you just compare a primarly offensive Dmen to a bunch of primarly Defensive ones and try and prove that Franson's better by posting goals and assists? bravo. need I remind you these are defensemen and there primary goal is to keep pucks out of there own net first and foremost something Franson struggles mightily at.

 

[Pocket Hercules]

Thanks Bob McKenzie

He is a rental, plain and simple.

On July 1st he's a UFA

What makes your opinion more valid than the OP's?

You don't know that whatever team trades for him with simply let him walk in the summer. Plus, that's a friggin gamble that any team takes when they're trying to get that extra piece to augment into their line-up for a Stanley Cup run.

Remember the Brendan Morrow trade from 2 yrs ago?....

 

[Swayze*]

What makes your opinion more valid than the OP's?

You don't know that whatever team trades for him with simply let him walk in the summer. Plus, that's a friggin gamble that any team takes when they're trying to get that extra piece to augment into their line-up for a Stanley Cup run.

Remember the Brendan Morrow trade from 2 yrs ago?....

Mine is a fact, not an opinion.

His is purely speculation, nothing more.

 

[thewave]

This was posted by another Leafs fan recently:



To which I responded:



Franson is going to get more than a lot of people here think.

I came to the conclusion seeing Franson playing with Dion and being solid, that Fransons defensive stats last season were the result of both his determination to pinch and generate offense and the inability of this teams forwards to read the plays and cover appropriately. I believe Gardiner is also to an extent falling victim to this this season as he is slotted in the same matchups Franson was the year prior.

Poor team game made Franson look worse than he is. Poor team game making Gardiner look worse than he is but in Gardiners case he has started to overthink and become hesitant and is his own worse enemy.

 

[Pocket Hercules]

Mine is a fact, not an opinion.

His is purely speculation, nothing more.

Actually no, it isn't.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Actually no, it isn't.

In your opinion?

 

[LolungoReboundo]

I think Franson can get us a late 1st. I do not think he can get us another teams blue chipper.

no reason we can`t draft a blue chipper with that pick

 

[Judas Tavares]

March 9, 2006 Trade deadline
Brendan Witt
for
Kris Beech (highly touted at the time of the deal)
2006 1st round pick (#23-Semyon Varlamov)

Now Witt was a mediocre pending UFA, and played a whole 17 games for Nashville.

Franson is TONS better, and has that much more value than Witt.

This is the type of package I'd hope to get, but as you said, better. At that time, Beech was already 25, it would be the equivalent of trading for someone like Zach Hamill today. If we are getting a lesser body back, would hope the are max 22 years old.

Or if the only body we can get is pretty meh, might as well roll the dice with another pick included instead.

 

[johnny_rudeboy]

no reason we can`t draft a blue chipper with that pick

That´s right.

 

[Muston Atthews]

did you just compare a primarly offensive Dmen to a bunch of primarly Defensive ones and try and prove that Franson's better by posting goals and assists? bravo. need I remind you these are defensemen and there primary goal is to keep pucks out of there own net first and foremost something Franson struggles mightily at.

Did you even read my post? Scratch that, I know you didn't. The first part of the post says someone posted the first list. The second part ends with saying "How are these players comparable to Franson besides two of them?"

Bravo to you for your reading comprehension
You compile a list of comparable players to Franson who were traded at the trade deadline and then I can find the points for each, I bet Franson will still be up there.

 

[rdawg1234]

How many more loses until a trade happens? we're a few weeks from the deadline are they waiting for some amazing offer?

i'm talking like trading Franson, lupul etc.

 

[Swayze*]

Actually no, it isn't.

How is it not?

 

[-DeMo-]

Did you even read my post? Scratch that, I know you didn't. The first part of the post says someone posted the first list. The second part ends with saying "How are these players comparable to Franson besides two of them?"

Bravo to you for your reading comprehension
You compile a list of comparable players to Franson who were traded at the trade deadline and then I can find the points for each, I bet Franson will still be up there.

I did read you post and since it was all about points instead of just saying most of those are defensive Dmen vs Franson whose an offensive Dmen and therefore not really comparable I took the last line which read

"How can 5 players who have a combined 151 games played and only 2 more points be comparable to Franson?"

as Franson is much better then those guys because of what I just showed you points wise so there not comparable.

 

[Leafidelity]

Mine is a fact, not an opinion.

His is purely speculation, nothing more.

Somebody call up TSN, Swayze of HFboards has some breaking information for them.

 

[Leafidelity]

Not even BobMac himself would say he has anything more than speculation, but this guy does.

 

[Swayze*]

Somebody call up TSN, Swayze of HFboards has some breaking information for them.

Dude

Youre embarassing yourself

He's a rental

He's a ufa july 1st

Its not up for debate. Its simple facts

 

[thewave]

Dion for Semin + Haydn Fleury.

If this deal got done trade to Follow immediately. Phil Kessel.

 

[Swayze*]

Not even BobMac himself would say he has anything more than speculation, but this guy does.

Im not speculating.

You are

 

[The CyNick]

Dude

Youre embarassing yourself

He's a rental

He's a ufa july 1st

Its not up for debate. Its simple facts

Are you trying to argue that a team that acquires him through trade will not seek to re-sign him prior to July 1? Or do you think the team who acquires him are run by morons?

 

[theIceWookie]

How would people feel about targeting Mark Jankowski? He's way low in the Flames system, and he's been pretty disappointing relative to draft position. He might be a nice cheap add to our system.

 

[Pocket Hercules]

How is it not?

So just because you claim it as a "fact" supposedly makes it so?

I provided a RECENT example of a team (Pittsburgh) trading a solid D prospect in Joe Morrow and 5th round pick for a broken down, 'best days are behind him' soon to be UFA type player in Brendan Morrow.

Did Pittsburgh re-sign him in the following summer? No.

Why? Because despite what you might think, A GM of a SC Contending team doesn't sit there and create "what-if" scenarios in their head if for whatever reason he's somehow unable to re-sign said player in the offseason. They don't put the cart before the horse in a situation like this, they cross that bridge when they get to it. And they took a gamble with Morrow and they apparently didn't want him back....because that's the chance the buying team makes on every TDD. Sometimes it pays off, sometimes it doesn't. .

If a team out there feels that a Cody Franson is enough to bolster their blue-line to go deep in the playoffs and contend for the cup, it's not unreasonable to assume they would be willing to part with a low 1st round pick or a solid prospect and 2nd or 3rd round pick.

Also, you're not factoring in the possible bidding wars that could happen which would definitely inflate his value by a little.

So, yeah. That's my "fact".

Tell me again why yours is more grounded in truth?

 

[thewave]

How would people feel about targeting Mark Jankowski? He's way low in the Flames system, and he's been pretty disappointing relative to draft position. He might be a nice cheap add to our system.

For Biggs. Sure.

 

[Rielly4]

How would people feel about targeting Mark Jankowski? He's way low in the Flames system, and he's been pretty disappointing relative to draft position. He might be a nice cheap add to our system.

Very interested for obvious reasons. Raw skill there.

 

[Swayze*]

Are you trying to argue that a team that acquires him through trade will not seek to re-sign him prior to July 1? Or do you think the team who acquires him are run by morons?

Sure they can try but even they know its a longshot and cant bank on it for sure so they pay a rental price.