FA/Trade Thread 2014-15 Season V.11 - Trade Deadline Approaching
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leafsfuture
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Look a few years ago we traded Ponikarovsky and we got Luca Caputi, a 20 year old prospect who was doing extremely well in the AHL, and had already scored goals in the NHL.
Obviously Caputi busted, but at the time he was seen similar to a Ty Rattie or a Brett Ritchie.
If we are trading Franson I would want a similar DEFENSIVE prospect. Namely Shea Theodore. End of the day is if we trade for a pick, we really have no idea what we are getting. And knowing the way we draft... well its not something I am fond of.
Obviously Caputi busted, but at the time he was seen similar to a Ty Rattie or a Brett Ritchie.
If we are trading Franson I would want a similar DEFENSIVE prospect. Namely Shea Theodore. End of the day is if we trade for a pick, we really have no idea what we are getting. And knowing the way we draft... well its not something I am fond of.
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didnt Caputi find out he had heart problems ...that is not the same as busting
SprDaVE
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I'm pretty sure your thinking about Cereda? Caputi never had heart ailments. He's playing in Sweden last I checked.
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Yep. Deadline costs will vary from year to year. Last year it was definitely a 'buyer's market'. If Vanek had been moved during another year, he likely could have easily gotten a 1st.
We will have to wait and see how this year goes.
Really dude? a 19 year old first rd pick and WJC standout for a mediocre rental?
This board has gone nuts
Kurisu
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I would think any pick deals would happen deadline day, waiting for a gm to panic and pay up last minute. I mean maybe you get a good offer for Franson today, but I'd hate to ship him for a 2nd and then have the Lebruns say "I spoke to 4 GMs who all said they would have paid a first plus for Franson had he still been available today."
Granted that becomes all hearsay and/or hindsight, but I would be surprised if we saw a selling pick deal happen around now. Those only seem to be happening if a team is desperate for an injury replacement (like Dubnyk for a 3rd).
If anything, a player for player deal happens before the deadline (O'Reilly?) leaving the pick deals (aka the unsexy deals) for deadline day, making Tradecentre feel bleh haha.
Granted that becomes all hearsay and/or hindsight, but I would be surprised if we saw a selling pick deal happen around now. Those only seem to be happening if a team is desperate for an injury replacement (like Dubnyk for a 3rd).
If anything, a player for player deal happens before the deadline (O'Reilly?) leaving the pick deals (aka the unsexy deals) for deadline day, making Tradecentre feel bleh haha.
The cap isn't expected to go up much so I see limited interest in Lupul for that reason + in real dollars his contract after this season goes 6.75 then 5.25 then 3.75.
I'd prefer to just hold onto Lupul into next season hoping his value goes back up instead of selling low on him.
Gardiner we should also probably keep for now hoping he bounces back but with Phaneuf, Rielly, Percy, Finn all left Dmen who bring offence I don't see him Gardiner or his cap hit here long term.
We should be looking moving sell high secondary pieces Franson, Polak, Bozak. Pending UFAs in Winnik + Santo need to be dealt if they aren't extended.
It`s why I`m hoping Dion goes to Anaheim. Theodore looks like a solid prospect and won`t be had for a rental player.
Even if trading for a drafted prospect no guarantee he doesn't bust just like Caputi, Ashton, Aulie and it would be a lot of the same scouts providing reports.
We've actually produced good drafting results but just haven't had the massive unexpected homerun. Every team has a lot more misses than hits though. The biggest problem for the Leafs scout is the picks they've had to work with and fan patience. Outside of the top picks it generally takes prospect 4 or 5 years after being drafted to start making an impact.
Guys like Percy, Finn, Loov, Brown, Leivo were all drafted outside in the last few years who are almost NHL ready. Drafted outside of the top 20 also were Kulemin, Gunnarson, Holzer, Frattin, Stalberg, Reimer, Komarov, Granberg, Carrick, McKegg, Nilsson.
When did Theodore becoming a top pairing NHL defenceman, who is always in the top percentile in hits, blocked shots and points? A pp specialists who shoots right handed and plays heavy pk minutes? Didn't know he was a right handed d and has achieved all these things at the NHL level?
Not sure if you're seriousWhen did Theodore becoming a top pairing NHL defenceman, who is always in the top percentile in hits, blocked shots and points? A pp specialists who shoots right handed and plays heavy pk minutes? Didn't know he was a right handed d and has achieved all these things at the NHL level?
If you are, then I can't help you.
How could anyone be serious he has never played in the NHL. You go on as if it would be sheer robbery for the Leafs to acquire this prospect for Franson, while in reality Theodore has a very difficult road to become half the NHLer Franson is today. Amazing how some overrate prospects. Theodore has shown nothing more than a prospect who might end up being a good NHL defenceman. We will likely have to wait 5 years to see how it all unfolds.
johnny_rudeboy
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Exactly what I want as well. Sure up the assets now. And I have a strong feeling there will be a lot of sellers come this trade deadline so perhaps if we wait that long we can not get what we want.
And trading away players now helps the tank. This is the year to have a high pick but also several late ones, more so then most other years.
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you very well are right ...and that just reinforces that we should stay away from Penguins prospects.
Didnt we we get Caputi when Tangradi was their top prospect? ...what a shame we missed out on on him instead
you very well are right ...and that just reinforces that we should stay away from Penguins prospects.
Didnt we we get Caputi when Tangradi was their top prospect? ...what a shame we missed out on on him instead
There seems to be a lot of excitement in trading the Leafs top two defencmen for picks and prospects and several players off the roster for additional picks as well, Is the assumption the picks will play for the Leafs next year, or signing the cheap bargain basement UFAès to replace the players or is the quality or lackthereof on the Leafs roster next year not of importance.
because Franson is a ......................RENTAL
The ducks didn't become the franchise they are today by blowing their wad on rentals.
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this mediocre rental will likely be the most sought after d-man this deadline, as well as the top UFA d-man this off season also.
tied for 14th in scoring for d-men ...one point less than Yandle, and ahead of the likes of Keith, Doughty, Pietrangelo, and Suter
he also plays on the top PP, and top PK ...how is he mediocre?
This whole trade deadline thing must be new to you. How do you blow your "wad" by acquiring a top pairing D for a prospect who may or may not even be an NHLer but likely not as good as Franson?
You know that the goal is to win the Stanley cup right? and that not all first round picks, especially late ones become NHLers let alone good ones.This whole trade deadline thing must be new to you. How do you blow your "wad" by acquiring a top pairing D for a prospect who may or may not even be an NHLer but likely not as good as Franson?
Bookmark this please.
If he returns a Theodore type prospect I will close my account.
If not, well, you just continue being the resident homer.
Here is a fun fact for you. Every year at the NHL trade deadline several teams and players get traded for picks and prospects. Google it sometime. If you are patient enough, it is going to happen again this year on March 2nd.
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March 9, 2006 Trade deadline
Brendan Witt
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Kris Beech (highly touted at the time of the deal)
2006 1st round pick (#23-Semyon Varlamov)
Now Witt was a mediocre pending UFA, and played a whole 17 games for Nashville.
Franson is TONS better, and has that much more value than Witt.
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