NoNecksCurse
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- Oct 19, 2011
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that was sarcasmThat is also not true.
that was sarcasmThat is also not true.
seems reasonable. i would try to get a 1st + a young roster player for ellis + arvidssonWhat do people even think we would get for Arvidsson at this point? A 2nd and a 3rd? Is that worth also losing the other player in the expansion draft.
Oops. Nevermind. I incorrectly understood you to be saying that a team had 3.5 over the 5 season window. (And, no, it didn't seem correct.)The average is about 3.5 per team per year. Still not an item you just toss aside but something that requires attention to detail to see if that player is likely a one time wonder or a repeatable performer. A Pred scored 20 or more 54 times ... but are we talking Andreas Johansen or Fil Forsberg? There are both objective and subjective aspects here ... a bit of guessing if past performance will continue into the future or if the best days are past.
I think it's a combination of all of those things probably. Maybe Seattle will want to play that game, and maybe he'll find a good home there. Heaven knows it will be difficult for them to find top-6 talent. Maybe he can be their Marchessault.Oops. Nevermind. I incorrectly understood you to be saying that a team had 3.5 over the 5 season window. (And, no, it didn't seem correct.)
Arvidsson was basically a 30+ goal scorer for 3 years. Then the last two shortened seasons, he wasn't. To be honest, he's not doing the same things either. He used to be our net front guy, getting a lot of rebounds and tipping pucks, as well as setting screens. He used to play on all the special teams units and got a few SH goals for us. We used to turn-and-burn with some regularity, and he was good at getting behind the defense. He isn't being asked to do any/most of that any longer, and it's hard to say if that is because his skills evaporated overnight, he can't do it anymore because he's washed up at 28, or because the new coaching staff just doesn't want him to play those roles.
4 months ago that was a resounding YES!Is NSH going 4 4?
Is NSH going 4 4?
I suspect it isn't really that he forgot how to play the game or his talent vanished. Injuries and shortened seasons have had something to do with it, but that's not the complete picture.I think it's a combination of all of those things probably. Maybe Seattle will want to play that game, and maybe he'll find a good home there. Heaven knows it will be difficult for them to find top-6 talent. Maybe he can be their Marchessault.
I guess it comes down to whether you protect a player like Sissons, Jarnkrok, Trenin or Jeannot (who all are a dime a dozen more or less) instead of a proven 20-goal scorer Arvidsson.. not the greatest asset management in my mind.
A proven 20 goal scorer, yes. But that is just part of it. Part is assessing if this year is the exception or part of a regression in output. If it's a regression, does the staff assess it as a gradual downward slope where his contract isn't necessarily bad in three years or do they expect JP Dumont 2008-11 falloff in numbers. Sissons, Jarnkrok, Trenin are all known factors at this point. The reverse model for Arvy is Jeannot/Kunin and the staff's assessment of how much growth, if any, they expect in their games. Does the team protect Arvy or Ellis if the projection is 2021 level of play for the rest of their current contract is one of the questions in play.
The trade market is skewed until after the expansion draft. Teams aren't going to risk trading for a player that they then have to expose.
while providing 20 goals year in year out.
On a team, that has maybe two or three legit top-six forwards, giving up one for free is crazy. Especially, considering he has value around the league, a lot more value than Trenin, Jeannot or Sissons.
And hey, don't get me wrong, I certainly don't think Arvy is the player he once was. But I think he can still provide value for us, his contract is solid even if he played lower in the lineup. He can be a bridge between injecting Tomasino into the lineup, while providing 20 goals year in year out.
Was thinking the same thing.You don't expose a proven scorer like Neal for a utility dime a dozen guy like Jarnkrok
Was thinking the same thing.
Neal was upcoming FA and was looking for a raise. Jarnkrok had just entered his sweetheart deal and Poile wanted to keep the Swedes happy.You don't expose a proven scorer like Neal for a utility dime a dozen guy like Jarnkrok
Neal was upcoming FA and was looking for a raise. Jarnkrok had just entered his sweetheart deal and Poile wanted to keep the Swedes happy.
Also, after losing Neal we’ve never gone to the Finals again.
So you think we should have kept Neal?
You don't expose a proven scorer like Neal for a utility dime a dozen guy like Jarnkrok
On that day, yes. Looking back, exposing him was the right move.
Maybe it’s just because I don’t see Jeannot or Trenin as anything really special and not worth protecting. Whereas Arvy has still miles left and is on a team-friendly contract, like Jarnkrok was in ’17.