Former Bruins EX Bruins Discussion Thread

[finchster]

Many of the former NHLers that have played there have said that they were literally paid in bags of cash. Not by the KGB directly, but people also say the KGB and Kremlin are closely tied to the KHL.

So, you are pretty much right.

Different culture and lack of banking, checks were not a thing here and it was a cash economy. I'll share a funny story; when I started working in Russia, I took 80% of my salary in dollars (not allowed by law) and 20% in roubles for everyday expenses. I used to go to one room for roubles that had windows on three sides so everyone could see. Then go to a different room with no windows to collect my dollars. Nowadays, most people I know have direct deposit, but salaries in cash are still common. Not sure about players, I would guess for rich teams they would direct deposit and poor teams via brown paper bags.

As for KGB, or FSB as they are now; any state owned company have a few of those guys working there to keep an eye on things. Most KHL teams are sponsored by state companies, so there will be some overlap. Some teams like Dynamo, CSKA, SKA etc are directly tied to government departments.

 

[Kalus]

Different culture and lack of banking, checks were not a thing here and it was a cash economy. I'll share a funny story; when I started working in Russia, I took 80% of my salary in dollars (not allowed by law) and 20% in roubles for everyday expenses. I used to go to one room for roubles that had windows on three sides so everyone could see. Then go to a different room with no windows to collect my dollars. Nowadays, most people I know have direct deposit, but salaries in cash are still common. Not sure about players, I would guess for rich teams they would direct deposit and poor teams via brown paper bags.

As for KGB, or FSB as they are now; any state owned company have a few of those guys working there to keep an eye on things. Most KHL teams are sponsored by state companies, so there will be some overlap. Some teams like Dynamo, CSKA, SKA etc are directly tied to government departments.

I love Russia stories, thanks for sharing.

Lots of good ones on the Spittin Chiclets podcast. I think they are taking it too far, actually. Russia doesnt mess around.

 

[Kalus]

Ryan Donato: 18 GP 1G 2A 3PTS

Seems like the next Ryan Spooner.

I think a Vatrano type is more likely than a Spooner type. That would be pretty good for him.

 

[LSCII]

We still of the belief that Dougie Hamilton sucks, or can we say positive things about him yet? Dude is playing very well right now, if we're allowed....

 

[LouJersey]

We still of the belief that Dougie Hamilton sucks, or can we say positive things about him yet? Dude is playing very well right now, if we're allowed....

It's funny because with all the love McAvoy gets you look at Hamilton and he blows him away advanced stats and offensive production. I can't stand him but he's a lot better than people here give him credit for.

That trade was funny though, people pining for him to get 6 mil per from us long term, then days later saying how bad of a player he is.

 

[Saxon Eric]

We still of the belief that Dougie Hamilton sucks, or can we say positive things about him yet? Dude is playing very well right now, if we're allowed....

Permission denied

 

[LSCII]

It's funny because with all the love McAvoy gets you look at Hamilton and he blows him away advanced stats and offensive production. I can't stand him but he's a lot better than people here give him credit for.

That trade was funny though, people pining for him to get 6 mil per from us long term, then days later saying how bad of a player he is.

Seems to be the way it goes around here. Tyler Seguin is great!!! What? They traded Seguin? He's a POS that doesn't belong on the roster!! If he were half of Kaner they'd have won the cup...lol

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

Even when Ryan Donato put up 16 points in 22 games after getting traded to the Wild last year, I was never concerned of having any regret from that trade.

Nothing about the way he plays to the game leads me to see him as a player who would contribute in any sort of significant capacity to a deep playoff or championship run.

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

Seems to be the way it goes around here. Tyler Seguin is great!!! What? They traded Seguin? He's a POS that doesn't belong on the roster!! If he were half of Kaner they'd have won the cup...lol

The sentiment you are expressing seems to be more what came out of management’s mouth than how fans felt, especially the last line (a paraphrase of Scott Bradley’s idiotic comments).

 

[LSCII]

The sentiment you are expressing seems to be more what came out of management’s mouth than how fans felt, especially the last line (a paraphrase of Scott Bradley’s idiotic comments).

Yes, and the sheep here followed suit, even if you don't recall. Same dynamic with Hamilton's exit too.

 

[BruinsNetwork]

It's funny because with all the love McAvoy gets you look at Hamilton and he blows him away advanced stats and offensive production. I can't stand him but he's a lot better than people here give him credit for.

That trade was funny though, people pining for him to get 6 mil per from us long term, then days later saying how bad of a player he is.

Think the McAvoy comments need some context here, especially with the advanced stats because McAvoy's charts point to him being excellent this season. Dougie gets the privilege of playing on the PP and having an elite, all-around-stud partner on his pair in Slavin. Chara is still a good defender in his own end, but he's Slavin is in a different league these days, IMO. Dougie has free rein out there to be whatever kind of player he wants to be, so long as Slavin shows up each night...which he does.

McAvoy is also what? Five years younger than Dougie? McAvoy is better right now than Dougie was at his age, IMO. We'll see what happens over the course of time, but I'm gonna bet that McAvoy in five years, playing next to someone like (who knows who will even be around, but that's beside the point) Vaakanainen or McFaul, will be better than Dougie is right now. McAvoy simply doesn't have the luxuries that Hamilton has currently.

 

[danpantz]

It's funny because with all the love McAvoy gets you look at Hamilton and he blows him away advanced stats and offensive production. I can't stand him but he's a lot better than people here give him credit for.

That trade was funny though, people pining for him to get 6 mil per from us long term, then days later saying how bad of a player he is.

This is unfair to McAvoy. But yes, Dougie is deserving of praise. He's in the middle of a great season. 26 years young, just entering his prime.

 

[LouJersey]

Think the McAvoy comments need some context here, especially with the advanced stats because McAvoy's charts point to him being excellent this season. Dougie gets the privilege of playing on the PP and having an elite, all-around-stud partner on his pair in Slavin. Chara is still a good defender in his own end, but he's Slavin is in a different league these days, IMO. Dougie has free rein out there to be whatever kind of player he wants to be, so long as Slavin shows up each night...which he does.

McAvoy is also what? Five years younger than Dougie? McAvoy is better right now than Dougie was at his age, IMO. We'll see what happens over the course of time, but I'm gonna bet that McAvoy in five years, playing next to someone like (who knows who will even be around, but that's beside the point) Vaakanainen or McFaul, will be better than Dougie is right now. McAvoy simply doesn't have the luxuries that Hamilton has currently.

McAvoy is also generally on the ice with the best line in hockey. Hamilton's 21 yo season was also far superior to McAvoy's in all statistical categories and that 14-15 team was trash, not a SC finalist.

 

[LouJersey]

This is unfair to McAvoy. But yes, Dougie is deserving of praise. He's in the middle of a great season. 26 years young, just entering his prime.

His 21 yo season was also far better than Mac's.

I would take Mac every day of the week over Dougie, but just calling it like it is.

 

[danpantz]

His 21 yo season was also far better than Mac's.

I would take Mac every day of the week over Dougie, but just calling it like it is.

Charlie led the team in Ice Team during the playoff run that took them to game 7 of the Stanley cup final during his 21 year old season though.

Hamilton did have more points in the regular season though.

Edit: Forgot how offensively inept that 2014-2015 team was until i looked back on Hamilton's stats.

Bergy was the only person who broke 50 points

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

Yes, and the sheep here followed suit, even if you don't recall. Same dynamic with Hamilton's exit too.

“Sheep”? Wow.

Think that’s a little harsh.

At the end of the day, we were on the losing end of the Seguin trade and probably the Dougie trade too, though he was traded from Calgary for similar reasons if I am recalling correctly.

Chiarelli was a joke of a negotiatior when it came to trading Seguin, but I don’t exactly blame fans for their tone considering Seguin’s 2012-2013 season and playoffs and the fact that we were supposedly getting a very good player back.

 

[Over the volcano]

We still of the belief that Dougie Hamilton sucks, or can we say positive things about him yet? Dude is playing very well right now, if we're allowed....

Think he’ll ever stick in a city for more than 3 seasons?

 

[LSCII]

Think he’ll ever stick in a city for more than 3 seasons?

Nearly a PPG right now, 18 goals last year would have put him right behind DK for goals and he had 11 more points than any Bruins defender last year. His 23 points this season would put him only behind Pasta and Marchand. Does it really matter how long he's been in Carolia? Pretty sure theyd take him either way, no?

 

[Mainehockey33]

Dougie is good and Donato is bad. I think that’s fair.

I was thinking the other day of the Seguin trade and how pissed I was. I thought we wouldn’t get a young all-star talent like that for years. Then they drafted Pastrnak and I was like ok, people seem to like him so maybe he’ll be pretty good. I never thought he’d be better than Seguin.

 

[Over the volcano]

Nearly a PPG right now, 18 goals last year would have put him right behind DK for goals and he had 11 more points than any Bruins defender last year. His 23 points this season would put him only behind Pasta and Marchand. Does it really matter how long he's been in Carolia? Pretty sure theyd take him either way, no?

Easy tiger, I was just curious if people thought he’d stick in Carolina when this deal is up. I’d say it’s 50/50 that he cashes in somewhere else and is on his 4th club in 10 years.

 

[CDJ]

We still of the belief that Dougie Hamilton sucks, or can we say positive things about him yet? Dude is playing very well right now, if we're allowed....

He doesn’t suck but I like watching him lose!

 

[LSCII]

Easy tiger, I was just curious if people thought he’d stick in Carolina when this deal is up. I’d say it’s 50/50 that he cashes in somewhere else and is on his 4th club in 10 years.

Don't float something out there to be a Richard Cranium and then act like it was an innocuous comment when you get called out on it. You know what you did and what you meant, which is why you doubled down with your last comment.

Players change teams all the time. It's not like teams were trading him for crap just to dump him. He got moved in two big deals, with high value assets going back to the trading team. Boston got a first and 2 seconds, and Calgary got Hanafin and Lindholm in return for Dougie, Ferland, and Adam Fox, ffs.

The point of my post is that when guys are here so many sheep will talk them up but as soon as they're traded, those same people go out of their way to say player X was a POS, that they sucked, and that the Bruins are better without them (As example: See: Hamilton, Dougie, and Kessel, Phil, and Seguin, Tyler, and See Thornton, Joe just to name a few). I mean shit, there are people here who still shit talk Ray Bourque for leaving and winning a cup with Colorado at the end of his career.

 

[LSCII]

He doesn’t suck but I like watching him lose!

That sentiment I can at least get on board with.

 

[BNHL]

Haven't watched him but he's been disappointing in his first 2 stops and was the main character in a trade for another disappointment in Hanafin. He was capable of the dumbest plays I've ever witnessed,maybe he's emptied that seemingly bottomless box. His TOI numbers reflect a #1 for the first time.

 

[LSCII]

“Sheep”? Wow.

Think that’s a little harsh.

At the end of the day, we were on the losing end of the Seguin trade and probably the Dougie trade too, though he was traded from Calgary for similar reasons if I am recalling correctly.

Chiarelli was a joke of a negotiatior when it came to trading Seguin, but I don’t exactly blame fans for their tone considering Seguin’s 2012-2013 season and playoffs and the fact that we were supposedly getting a very good player back.

Sheep may be a little harsh, but what do you call fans that root for a guy one day and then bash them after the team trades them? Seems to me those "fans" are doing nothing but toeing the line for the front office and are rooting for laundry. I've been watching sports for a long time and I've seen great players come and go. I've never felt the the need to belittle a guy just because they moved on to a different team. If they were good, they were good. If they were bad, they were bad. Simple as that. I don't need Cam Neely to spin things for me, as I'm capable of forming my own opinions...