ESPN looks at the standings with different point systems

[Uncle Scrooge]

Doesn’t account for the fact that teams are not currently playing for 3pt regulation wins. The mentality going into games, and specifically the end of a close 3rd period would be much different under a new point system

There are approximately the same amount of OT games in leagues using 3 point system. Expecting more games to end in regulation is a myth.

Getting no points at all and giving up 3 to a team you’re in race with is a lot of pressure. Nobody is going to say ”okay its the final 5 minutes of the 3rd lets take more chances to score to break this tie”.

No matter what system they use the game is the same.

 

[Cancuks]

Win/ Shootout Win: 2 points
OT Loss: 0 points
Shootout Loss: Doesn't get a point but goes into the standings as a SL which factors in the end of season tiebreaker to determine playoffs.

 

[Rich Nixon]

The reason they don't do the 3 pts system is simple:

It is the best and most fair system. It is illogical to make a team get 2 pts for a overtime/shootout win while another gets 1 for losing creating both 3 pt and 2 pt games. It is also unfair that a team that wins in regulation gets the same amount of pts as one winning in overtime/shootout.

But here lies the problem: The standings would be too imbalanced by mid-year. The better teams would make the playoffs, and the worse teams would be so far out that nobody would even pay attention and they would start thinking about next year. The NHL doesn't do the system because it would cost them $$$

and ya gotta remember, that bonus point came in back in '99, with the first two brand new teams since three traditional hockey markets actually lost their teams to two shaky markets (and Denver) in the middle of the decade. I think the league certainly had incentive to artificially keep the standings closer for longer with that much at stake.

 

[hector morrison]

Every team makes the playoffs. Both winners and losers of each series advance to the next round. It'll be the first and last infinitely long NHL season.

what...no participation ribbons?

 

[Thread The Needle]

what...no participation ribbons?

The participation never ends so there's never any chance to give awards because every team is playing... forever.

 

[thefutures]

There should be draws which are 1 point and wins which are 3. Games end in regulation and no one sits back at the end of the 3rd.

 

[hector morrison]

The participation never ends so there's never any chance to give awards because every team is playing... forever.

A 'twilight zone"league then? A spectator sport with no hype? Nothin' to play for,except the love of the game. Same with the 'fans',not really rooting for any one,just something to watch once in a while.

 

[Chimpradamus]

Either the 3-2-1 or bringing back the ties are favourable to this silly system that is currently used. Personally, I'd like the ties back after 5 min OT, 5 on 5 or 4 on 4.

Both the 3 on 3 and the shootout are silly gimmicks.

 

[AzHawk]

(reformatted for comparison's sake)

CURRENT	3-2-1	2-1-0	1-0
Atlantic​
Boston Bruins - 68	Boston Bruins - 93	Boston Bruins - 53	Tampa Bay Lightning - 29
Tampa Bay Lightning - 62	Tampa Bay Lightning - 86	Tampa Bay Lightning - 53	Boston Bruins - 28
Florida Panthers - 57	Florida Panthers - 78	Florida Panthers - 47	Florida Panthers - 26
Toronto Maple Leafs - 57	Toronto Maple Leafs - 77	Toronto Maple Leafs - 45	Toronto Maple Leafs - 25
Buffalo Sabres - 51	Buffalo Sabres - 68	Buffalo Sabres - 39	Buffalo Sabres - 22
Montreal Canadiens - 51	Montreal Canadiens - 66	Montreal Canadiens - 37	Montreal Canadiens - 22
Ottawa Senators - 42	Ottawa Senators - 55	Ottawa Senators - 30	Ottawa Senators - 17
Detroit Red Wings - 28	Detroit Red Wings - 38	Detroit Red Wings - 22	Detroit Red Wings - 12
Central​
St. Louis Blues - 68	St. Louis Blues - 92	St. Louis Blues - 54	St. Louis Blues - 30
Colorado Avalanche - 62	Colorado Avalanche - 84	Colorado Avalanche - 51	Colorado Avalanche - 27
Dallas Stars - 58	Dallas Stars - 78	Dallas Stars - 47	Dallas Stars - 27
Winnipeg Jets - 54	Winnipeg Jets - 72	Winnipeg Jets - 43	Winnipeg Jets - 25
Chicago Blackhawks - 54	Chicago Blackhawks - 72	Chicago Blackhawks - 42	Chicago Blackhawks - 24
Nashville Predators - 51	Minnesota Wild - 70	Minnesota Wild - 42	Nashville Predators - 22
Minnesota Wild - 50	Nashville Predators - 70	Nashville Predators - 41	Minnesota Wild - 22
Metropolitan​
Washington Capitals - 71	Washington Capitals - 95	Washington Capitals - 57	Washington Capitals - 33
Pittsburgh Penguins - 67	Pittsburgh Penguins - 88	Pittsburgh Penguins - 52	Pittsburgh Penguins - 31
New York Islanders - 61	Columbus Blue Jackets - 80	Carolina Hurricanes - 48	Carolina Hurricanes - 28
Columbus Blue Jackets - 60	New York Islanders - 79	Columbus Blue Jackets - 46	New York Islanders - 28
Carolina Hurricanes - 59	Carolina Hurricanes - 79	New York Islanders - 46	Columbus Blue Jackets - 26
Philadelphia Flyers - 58	Philadelphia Flyers - 75	Philadelphia Flyers - 43	Philadelphia Flyers - 26
New York Rangers - 50	New York Rangers - 70	New York Rangers - 43	New York Rangers - 23
New Jersey Devils - 41	New Jersey Devils - 54	New Jersey Devils - 30	New Jersey Devils - 17
Pacific​
Vancouver Canucks - 58	Vancouver Canucks - 79	Edmonton Oilers - 48	Vancouver Canucks - 27
Edmonton Oilers - 57	Edmonton Oilers - 79	Vancouver Canucks - 48	Edmonton Oilers - 26
Calgary Flames - 57	Vegas Golden Knights - 76	Arizona Coyotes - 45	Arizona Coyotes - 26
Vegas Golden Knights - 57	Arizona Coyotes - 76	Vegas Golden Knights - 44	Calgary Flames - 26
Arizona Coyotes - 57	Calgary Flames - 74	Calgary Flames - 43	Vegas Golden Knights - 25
San Jose Sharks - 46	San Jose Sharks - 61	San Jose Sharks - 36	San Jose Sharks - 21
Anaheim Ducks - 43	Anaheim Ducks - 56	Anaheim Ducks - 32	Anaheim Ducks - 19
Los Angeles Kings - 41	Los Angeles Kings - 54	Los Angeles Kings - 31	Los Angeles Kings - 18

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[Gary Nylund]

I remember the days before gimmick points when the NHL had a perfect system. Then they went and "fixed" what wasn't broke and as a result, we'll have these threads forever.

 

[Henkka]

3-2-1-0 if you want to change it.

Othervise, keep the old one.

 

[bobholly39]

The reason they don't do the 3 pts system is simple:

It is the best and most fair system. It is illogical to make a team get 2 pts for a overtime/shootout win while another gets 1 for losing creating both 3 pt and 2 pt games. It is also unfair that a team that wins in regulation gets the same amount of pts as one winning in overtime/shootout.

But here lies the problem: The standings would be too imbalanced by mid-year. The better teams would make the playoffs, and the worse teams would be so far out that nobody would even pay attention and they would start thinking about next year. The NHL doesn't do the system because it would cost them $$$

Maybe - but it depends how you look at it.

I'm a habs fan. As of this posting, we're 8 points out of a playoff spot, with 1-2 games more played then the last WC/divisional spot. 32 games to go - so almost half the season. Under today's system - we are not exactly mathematically eliminated or anything, but we're so far behind, the odds of us catching up and qualifying are extremely low. We basically need to win 8-10 games in a row, while those last place playoff teams go ~500 in the same stretch - just to catch up (not even pass them). Then we still need to outperform them down the stretch to finish ahead. So - very long odds.

Under the 3-2-1 system? I find the odds a lot more attractive. We're far back? Lots of ground to cover? Great - time to take more risks in regulation. Instead of just 2 points - we can now get 3 points in a regulation win.

If this were the last 2 weeks of the season - it would make for some explosive standing battles, both for last playoff spot but also for top of divisions. I remember how close the east was contested at the end of last season for last playoff spots. Montreal, Columbus, Carolina, Pittsburgh, Toronto...just imagine if teams had the ability to go for 3 points in a game. Would allow for a lot of wiggle room in the standings, and make things even more unpredictable.

 

[Richard]

How about this, it'll be revolutionary.

2 Points for a win

1 Point for a tie

0 Points for a loss

??????

Otherwise,

drop points altogether and go by wins.

 

[Zerotonine]

The 2-1-0 point system is by far the best, going to the 3 point win system would look Pejorative Slured imo for the standings. End of season teams with 200 pts and some with 80 pts

Only difference for the 2-1-0 system I would make is 2 points for regulation win and an overtime win esp due to the fact they are considered equal in todays game based on ROW's. 1 point for the shoot out win, an NO effing points for a LOSS.....

 

[Panteras]

The 2-1-0 point system is by far the best, going to the 3 point win system would look ******ed imo for the standings. End of season teams with 200 pts and some with 80 pts

Only difference for the 2-1-0 system I would make is 2 points for regulation win and an overtime win esp due to the fact they are considered equal in todays game based on ROW's. 1 point for the shoot out win, an NO effing points for a LOSS.....

That’s because there’s 82 games. It works in soccer 3-1-0 because there’s just less than half the games in league play

 

[Prince Pasta]

3 for Reg Win, 2 for OT/SO Win, 0 for Reg/OTL, 1 for SOL

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

System is fine the way it is

It creates exciting playoff races IMO

 

[supsens]

Doesn’t account for the fact that teams are not currently playing for 3pt regulation wins. The mentality going into games, and specifically the end of a close 3rd period would be much different under a new point system

You mean defending against a 3 point regulation loss, it would be low scoring poopala

 

[Klank Loves You]

So nothing changes...

 

[danyhabsfan]

How about we give 1.3 points to Canadian teams for a win and 1 point for USA teams.

Like USD to CAD.

That would give Canadian team a better chance to win the cup.

 

[Paperbagofglory]

Winning percentage like the NBA, no shootout, 4 on 4 overtime 5 minutes, 3 on 3 overtime 3 minutes, tie if no win at the end of regulation. Ties get 0.5. There would hardly be any ties in this system anyways.

 

[Kranix]

Just glanced but they look the same.
Does anybody have a NBA style games-back version?

 

[KlefDown]

2 for win/ot win, 0 for loss
just like NBA
the loser point just creates a fake illusion of parity

 

[BrockLobster]

Every game needs to be worth the same amount of points. The current system is ridiculous as would the 2-1-0 system. 3-2-1-0 makes most sense AINEC

 

[pcruz]

I see none of these new point systems lift Detroit out of dead last place, therefore I don't accept them.

NHL should adopt the PGA scoring system.