ESPN looks at the standings with different point systems

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Would the NHL standings change with a different points system?

Current Standings

Atlantic Division
Metropolitan Division
Boston Bruins - 68 points​
Washington Capitals - 71 points​
Tampa Bay Lightning - 62 points​
Pittsburgh Penguins - 67 points​
Florida Panthers - 57 points​
New York Islanders - 61 points​
Toronto Maple Leafs - 57 points​
Columbus Blue Jackets - 60 points​
Buffalo Sabres - 51 points​
Carolina Hurricanes - 59 points​
Montreal Canadiens - 51 points​
Philadelphia Flyers - 58 points​
Ottawa Senators - 42 points​
New York Rangers - 50 points​
Detroit Red Wings - 28 points​
New Jersey Devils - 41 points​
Central Division
Pacific Division
St. Louis Blues - 68 points​
Vancouver Canucks - 58 points​
Colorado Avalanche - 62 points​
Edmonton Oilers - 57 points​
Dallas Stars - 58 points​
Calgary Flames - 57 points​
Winnipeg Jets - 54 points​
Vegas Golden Knights - 57 points​
Chicago Blackhawks - 54 points​
Arizona Coyotes - 57 points​
Nashville Predators - 51 points​
San Jose Sharks - 46 points​
Minnesota Wild - 50 points​
Anaheim Ducks - 43 points​
Los Angeles Kings - 41 points​
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3-2-1 Format (3 points for a regulation win, 2 points for an OT/SO win, 1 point for an OT/SO loss)

Atlantic Division
Metropolitan Division
Boston Bruins - 93 points​
Washington Capitals - 95 points​
Tampa Bay Lightning - 86 points​
Pittsburgh Penguins - 88 points​
Florida Panthers - 78 points​
Columbus Blue Jackets - 80 points​
Toronto Maple Leafs - 77 points​
New York Islanders - 79 points​
Buffalo Sabres - 68 points​
Carolina Hurricanes - 79 points​
Montreal Canadiens - 66 points​
Philadelphia Flyers - 75 points​
Ottawa Senators - 55 points​
New York Rangers - 70 points​
Detroit Red Wings - 38 points​
New Jersey Devils - 54 points​
Central Division
Pacific Division
St. Louis Blues - 92 points​
Vancouver Canucks - 79 points​
Colorado Avalanche - 84 points​
Edmonton Oilers - 79 points​
Dallas Stars - 78 points​
Vegas Golden Knights - 76 points​
Winnipeg Jets - 72 points​
Arizona Coyotes - 76 points​
Chicago Blackhawks - 72 points​
Calgary Flames - 74 points​
Minnesota Wild - 70 points​
San Jose Sharks - 61 points​
Nashville Predators - 70 points​
Anaheim Ducks - 56 points​
Los Angeles Kings - 54 points​
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2-1-0 Format (2 points for a regulation win, 1 point for an OT/SO win, 0 points for any loss)

Atlantic Division
Metropolitan Division
Boston Bruins - 53 points​
Washington Capitals - 57 points​
Tampa Bay Lightning - 53 points​
Pittsburgh Penguins - 52 points​
Florida Panthers - 47 points​
Carolina Hurricanes - 48 points​
Toronto Maple Leafs - 45 points​
Columbus Blue Jackets - 46 points​
Buffalo Sabres - 39 points​
New York Islanders - 46 points​
Montreal Canadiens - 37 points​
Philadelphia Flyers - 43 points​
Ottawa Senators - 30 points​
New York Rangers - 43 points​
Detroit Red Wings - 22 points​
New Jersey Devils - 30 points​
Central Division
Pacific Division
St. Louis Blues - 54 points​
Edmonton Oilers - 48 points​
Colorado Avalanche - 51 points​
Vancouver Canucks - 48 points​
Dallas Stars - 47 points​
Arizona Coyotes - 45 points​
Winnipeg Jets - 43 points​
Vegas Golden Knights - 44 points​
Chicago Blackhawks - 42 points​
Calgary Flames - 43 points​
Minnesota Wild - 42 points​
San Jose Sharks - 36 points​
Nashville Predators - 41 points​
Anaheim Ducks - 32 points​
Los Angeles Kings - 31 points​
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Just Wins (1 point for any win, 0 points for any loss)

Atlantic Division
Metropolitan Division
Tampa Bay Lightning - 29 points​
Washington Capitals - 33 points​
Boston Bruins - 28 points​
Pittsburgh Penguins - 31 points​
Florida Panthers - 26 points​
Carolina Hurricanes - 28 wins​
Toronto Maple Leafs - 25 points​
New York Islanders - 28 points​
Buffalo Sabres - 22 points​
Columbus Blue Jackets - 26 points​
Montreal Canadiens - 22 points​
Philadelphia Flyers - 26 points​
Ottawa Senators - 17 points​
New York Rangers - 23 points​
Detroit Red Wings - 12 points​
New Jersey Devils - 17 points​
Central Division
Pacific Division
St. Louis Blues - 30 points​
Vancouver Canucks - 27 points​
Colorado Avalanche - 27 points​
Edmonton Oilers - 26 points​
Dallas Stars - 27 points​
Arizona Coyotes - 26 points​
Winnipeg Jets - 25 points​
Calgary Flames - 26 points​
Chicago Blackhawks - 24 points​
Vegas Golden Knights - 25 points​
Nashville Predators - 22 points​
San Jose Sharks - 21 points​
Minnesota Wild - 22 points​
Anaheim Ducks - 19 points​
Los Angeles Kings - 18 points​
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Standings are as of this morning.

What points system should the NHL use?
 

Leafs87

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The difference between a win and an OT loss should be more than 1 point imo. It is still a loss at the end of the day

I don’t agree with any points given in a ot loss under the current situation. The 3-2-1 makes sense

anytime you change the point system is screws with records though
 
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Leafs87

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ok but play it at 5 on 5

And skip the shootout? Keep it going until someone scores? Sure. NHL won’t be on board though. It makes the most sense. 3 on 3 is probably the best entertainment NHL has to offer right now and the extra air time is too costly plus games would take all night
 

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wintersej

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And skip the shootout? Keep it going until someone scores? Sure. NHL won’t be on board though. It makes the most sense. 3 on 3 is probably the best entertainment NHL has to offer right now and the extra air time is too costly plus games would take all night

and that’s the point. We need to have the 3 on 3 and SO. It’s not hockey though. Giving the team that is better at the non-hockey stuff an extra point always seemed like a fine compromise to me.
 

Balance

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The reason they don't do the 3 pts system is simple:

It is the best and most fair system. It is illogical to make a team get 2 pts for a overtime/shootout win while another gets 1 for losing creating both 3 pt and 2 pt games. It is also unfair that a team that wins in regulation gets the same amount of pts as one winning in overtime/shootout.

But here lies the problem: The standings would be too imbalanced by mid-year. The better teams would make the playoffs, and the worse teams would be so far out that nobody would even pay attention and they would start thinking about next year. The NHL doesn't do the system because it would cost them $$$
 

Michel Beauchamp

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The reason they don't do the 3 pts system is simple:

It is the best and most fair system. It is illogical to make a team get 2 pts for a overtime/shootout win while another gets 1 for losing creating both 3 pt and 2 pt games. It is also unfair that a team that wins in regulation gets the same amount of pts as one winning in overtime/shootout.

But here lies the problem: The standings would be too imbalanced by mid-year. The better teams would make the playoffs, and the worse teams would be so far out that nobody would even pay attention and they would start thinking about next year. The NHL doesn't do the system because it would cost them $$$
Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner.

3-2-1 is the only system that makes sense.

.500 will be 100% of average, not 89.4% of average as it is now...
 

Tender Rip

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I never understood why the point thing was so much of an issue for people. No matter which point system you device it will be the same for everyone and everyone can plan with that in mind.

Whether you like the SO or not, it is quite popular with the masses as a way to determine regular season games so you don't have games running forever and get a decision. Good for TV programming also. It will impact the standings at bit at times for teams with outlier records (such as Boston and Calgary this season, in each their way), but typically not greatly so over a full season.

What I have never liked on the other hand is the way North American sports use the division/conference format for playoffs. I get it in the regular season given the distances involved, and the appeal of local rivalries etc, but I find it arbitrary that you don't redo at the end of the regular season, because there is always a big likelihood that this will be unfair, put teams in the playoffs who are less deserving etc. Expediency is OK for the regular season, but the playoffs should be about finding the best, IMO.

If the best two teams are from the same division for instance, why should it be impossible to see such a matchup in the finals? Think back and consider if you would not have wanted some Wings-Avalanche finals in the past? Indeed, there have been a couple of seasons recently where Pens-Caps series would have been more worthy such than what came about later.

So, in a perfect world, I'd just seed the top 16 teams at the end of the season. You could even theoretically get a divisional crown without making the playoffs. That's a tin-cup anyway. Why confer home ice advantage and such to a team if it is only due to it playing in a weak division?

Caps vs. Flames
Blues vs. Leafs
Bruins vs. Oilers
Pens vs. Flyers
Lightning vs. Canucks
Avalanche vs. Stars
Isles vs. Canes
Jackets vs. Panthers

... and yes... logistics and such. Anyway.
 

SotasicA

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Playing 60 (or 65) minutes to a tie should net you 1pt. Not more. If you want to have the shootout, use it as a standings tie-breaker, but don't give out another point for it.

W-L-T SOW Pts.
 
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