Seems to me like you should actually watch the game before giving your opinion on stoppage time.
They're once again not the same. We can't know because they would have had to play out the game. There was certainly time for other events to happen in the match, as there was a minimum of 90 seconds or so between the drop issue and the final result. Shit, they should have cleared the ball and had chance to do so on more than one occasion. It was for sure fortunate. I said on here directly after that they have the right to feel aggrieved. But that's not the same as clear goals and stonewall penalties. If this situation was what happened, say, with City getting a throw in they should not have, and then scoring, I would be upset, but it happens in matches and there really isn't a ton you can do about it. It's the equivalent of a team getting a corner kick when it should be a goal kick, and you just play on with it. That isn't something you can legislate / VAR / fix in the game, and you live with it.
True. We cannot. It's about a 75% chance of a goal. I'd rather that than no chance.
While I’m brushing up on it, where in the rule book does it say anything about a raised foot? Aren’t most balls played with a raised foot given that you don’t drag your foot across the ground?
A few of you should brush up on the rules of the game. Doku makes a studs up challenge with a raised foot, doesn't win the ball (although that's not important if the play is dangerous, which it was) and kicks Mac Allister in the chest. It's a penalty. It's one thing for the on field official to miss the call, but it's another for VAR not to get it right. Especially when the sole reason it was implemented, was to correct situations like these.
There is a lot of bitterness towards Liverpool and their supporters. A false narrative of them "whining" when things don't go their way. As if they have faced the same amount of injustice as any other club.
Here's some more reading you can delve into, if you actually care to come closer to the truth.
Referees Treat LFC Very Differently – Big Data Suggests "Weirdness" From Officials/PGMOL
FREE READ - Lots and lots and lots of data – all show LFC to be a 'special case'tomkinstimes.substack.com
Liverpool have had more dubious calls go against them then any other team in the Premier League. That is a fact. The article above is from May 2023. So it doesn't factor in the legitimate goal Luis Diaz scored against Tottenham not being given. The worst VAR debacle since it's inception in the Prem. Not to mention some of the highly questionable cards that were handed out in that match. Or the game of basketball Martin Odegaard played in the box at Anfield.
The PGMOL will blow whatever kind of smoke up the collective arses that is convenient at the time. In the match against Tottenham, the line was that the play had already resumed so they couldn't call it back to give the goal. Yet only a handful of matches later, roughly 2 minutes of play was called back in favor of giving Crystal Palace a penalty against the very same Reds. Which they scored. Sound.
I'm not saying Liverpool have never benefited from an iffy call going in their favor. But to equate something like the drop ball against Forrest being in the same realm as this shite, is beyond disingenuous. Forrest were also awarded an incorrect drop ball earlier in that match, might I add.
Lazy agendas.
Today, Liverpool had their chances to win the match outright and didn't capitalize. City themselves also hit the woodwork late. Even though that is true, it shouldn't excuse a blatant penalty not being awarded. It doesn't matter what scoring chances were missed up to that point. A penalty is a penalty.
I can't say why exactly these calls are missed routinely against Liverpool, and why City have benefited from so many in their favor during their period of dominance. I can say, I do not believe for a second that it just comes down to incompetence.
A fish stinks from the head.
Records are so silly in this. Spurs got some goals on the counter and held on for dear life in December. The xG in that match was completely lopsided. Sure, they've been decent against City in the past. It's a completely different manager, system and a lot of the past players aren't there.
I’m just picking your quote because I like you the best, not picking on you here.
Most raised feet to play balls don’t go into people’s chest. So I think there’s a bit of common sense that has to be involved here
This is fair, but again you’d rather have the penalty kick than not have the penalty kick right?
A+ stuff when you get out xG'd 2.9-0.1 then 2.4-0.3 then 1.4-07 and you walk away with two 2-0 wins and one 2-2 draw
That’s certainly close, but I wouldn’t say Chelsea had nearly as much sustained momentum as LFC did yesterday. And again they were out possessed so wouldn’t fit all the criteria that I provided, but it’s only my criteria; but you have to quantify that somehow
City hadn't scored once off of like 10+ cumulative xG at Spurs new stadium, until Ake last game (a goal that very well could have been called off too).A+ stuff when you get out xG'd 2.9-0.1 then 2.4-0.3 then 1.4-07 and you walk away with two 2-0 wins and one 2-2 draw
If we assume a PK is 75% chance for goal; there are three stonewall PK incidents
*Of the 22 clubs to register at least one 90th-minute or later Premier League penalty since 2016, Liverpool rank last, at 22nd, on a per-season basis*
A few of you should brush up on the rules of the game. Doku makes a studs up challenge with a raised foot, doesn't win the ball (although that's not important if the play is dangerous, which it was) and kicks Mac Allister in the chest. It's a penalty. It's one thing for the on field official to miss the call, but it's another for VAR not to get it right. Especially when the sole reason it was implemented, was to correct situations like these.
There is a lot of bitterness towards Liverpool and their supporters. A false narrative of them "whining" when things don't go their way. As if they have faced the same amount of injustice as any other club.
Here's some more reading you can delve into, if you actually care to come closer to the truth.
Referees Treat LFC Very Differently – Big Data Suggests "Weirdness" From Officials/PGMOL
FREE READ - Lots and lots and lots of data – all show LFC to be a 'special case'
Liverpool have had more dubious calls go against them then any other team in the Premier League. That is a fact. The article above is from May 2023. So it doesn't factor in the legitimate goal Luis Diaz scored against Tottenham not being given. The worst VAR debacle since it's inception in the Prem. Not to mention some of the highly questionable cards that were handed out in that match. Or the game of basketball Martin Odegaard played in the box at Anfield.
The PGMOL will blow whatever kind of smoke up the collective arses that is convenient at the time. In the match against Tottenham, the line was that the play had already resumed so they couldn't call it back to give the goal. Yet only a handful of matches later, roughly 2 minutes of play was called back in favor of giving Crystal Palace a penalty against the very same Reds. Which they scored. Sound.
I'm not saying Liverpool have never benefited from an iffy call going in their favor. But to equate something like the drop ball against Forrest being in the same realm as this shite, is beyond disingenuous. Forrest were also awarded an incorrect drop ball earlier in that match, might I add.
Lazy agendas.
Today, Liverpool had their chances to win the match outright and didn't capitalize. City themselves also hit the woodwork late. Even though that is true, it shouldn't excuse a blatant penalty not being awarded. It doesn't matter what scoring chances were missed up to that point. A penalty is a penalty.
I can't say why exactly these calls are missed routinely against Liverpool, and why City have benefited from so many in their favor during their period of dominance. I can say, I do not believe for a second that it just comes down to incompetence.
A fish stinks from the head.
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