GWT: EPL - Matchweek 28 (ft. MW 17)
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Live in the Now
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I’m not so much focused on the referee as the players. I thought Endo was f***ing great. To get players like him and Mac for the prices they paid, you can’t do better than that.
Fire everyone, all the managers and the refs. All the other leagues mostly get it right, it's just a story in the EPL.
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Yo, Goober, where's the meat?
Tbf it was me, not an Arsenal fan, who made the Simpsons meme about whining
I also think it was very self-evidently a penalty
I'm just giving y'all a hard time
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That’s fine. I don’t have any problems with you (or anyone else that isn’t on my block list) it’s just funny to me that people will complain about LFC fans about whining and then also acknowledge that they were at the butt end of horrible decisions. That Venn diagram is a flat circle
Yes is it. At the minimum, it is also certainly the most relevant to the endgame
The solution is to make the refs go to the monitor, get some third party VAR officials I so the refs do not feel like they are ratting on themselves. Hire better refs. Hire better VARs. Look externally. This is so easy
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bluesfan94
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On the other hand, if you win the ball and someone clatters into your leg, it’s a foul on them. IMO, the leg wasn’t dangerously high and it was a fair 50/50 challenge with Doku winning the ball first.
And FWIW, had it been given, I wouldn’t be upset either. It’s borderline to me but I can understand the logic.
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southsideIrish
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Penalty or no, Liverpool missed several outstanding chances in the 2nd half - some of the best players in the world can't put a ball on a huge net. Seemed like Liverpool should have won 3-1 at least. But complaining about the call/non-call helps cover a lot of that up too.
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I don’t think anyone is trying to cover that up, certainly no one on here. Everyone, especially the LFC fans acknowledged they missed chances. That doesn’t absolve the fact that they got hosed by an egregious officiating error
Spring in Fialta
A malign star kept him
Anyone have a clear snippet on the action? I haven't seen it since the game and would be curious to see it again.
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The noticeable thing from that angle is that Doku doesn't win the ball. Mac wins it with his chest and gets booted
It isn’t. Not even close.
Don’t know what you mean by ‘endgame’. If by that you mean the title, not at all relevant to assessing the calls.
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Yeah I believe the title is going to come down to less than three points. You have Havertz incident and this incident from this weekend alone. That is an enormous swing. LFC are down around potentially seven points on officiating errors; two games involved have had formal apologies attached. That’s going to show up at the top of the table. This is another one
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Did you factor in the 2 they were gifted last weekend? Doubt it.
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Strange how things have a way of evening out
bluesfan94
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incoming!!!
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Dragusin with his first extended playing time and he was pretty good. Spurs only have 1 match in the next 20 days, so hopefully it's not anything that would last that long.
Chimaera
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Forest have a reason to be upset. They also had what? 90 seconds and a couple chances to clear it before then.Did you factor in the 2 they were gifted last weekend? Doubt it.
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Liverpool got hosed of one 100% goal and likely a penalty at the death. Bit different. Even with LFC tinted glasses, it’s really not the same.
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What two were they gifted last weekend? I’ve missed that?Did you factor in the 2 they were gifted last weekend? Doubt it.
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The drop ball incident that wasn’t even the same phase of play?
Stop.
and why is Jamie Carragher the authority on this again?
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The discourse of the drop ball is so stupid and that really comes to light when compared against incidents like this. Drop ball incident was basically the same as giving a corner kick instead of a goal kick. But false equivalence is easier I guess
Spring in Fialta
A malign star kept him
I'm not a ref but I'm glad I don't have to make that call.
One thing I'll say is that they should have taken longer to review this. But doesn't McAllister barging in with his chest count for anything there?
Did you factor in the 2 they were gifted last weekend? Doubt it.
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Don't even bother. He'll twist himself into a senseless pretzel and will talk of 'documents' made by people he knows that would uncover serious bias Liverpool but he can't share them because 'it's not his place to do so' and 'we'll just make fun of him anyways'
It's half an act.
Chimaera
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Spring in Fialta
A malign star kept him
He was trying to clear the ball, he wasn't trying to dribble or keep the ball. The thing is, I'm not sure what's he supposed to do there? Play with his chest like McAllister?
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Actually yes, two options, not raising the foot, so go with head or chest or if raised the foot, bring it down and not follow through to avoid a reckless foul. That is the samething for all players anywhere on the field at anytime, it's actually a very straight forward call. Only possible interpretation is that the foot was not high, in that specific case not only was it at MacAllister chest level (so well above the waist) but the studs even connected with his chest. I can get Oliver not seeing the foot connecting on Mac Allister live as it's a split second and not clear view from his angle. This is where VAR should have intervened and send him to the monitor.
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cgf
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I love the EPL
As long as you can keep finding richer and richer oligarchs to buy in, who cares about the quality of the product?
A few of you should brush up on the rules of the game. Doku makes a studs up challenge with a raised foot, doesn't win the ball (although that's not important if the play is dangerous, which it was) and kicks Mac Allister in the chest. It's a penalty. It's one thing for the on field official to miss the call, but it's another for VAR not to get it right. Especially when the sole reason it was implemented, was to correct situations like these.
There is a lot of bitterness towards Liverpool and their supporters. A false narrative of them "whining" when things don't go their way. As if they have faced the same amount of injustice as any other club.
Here's some more reading you can delve into, if you actually care to come closer to the truth.
Referees Treat LFC Very Differently – Big Data Suggests "Weirdness" From Officials/PGMOL
FREE READ - Lots and lots and lots of data – all show LFC to be a 'special case'
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Liverpool have had more dubious calls go against them then any other team in the Premier League. That is a fact. The article above is from May 2023. So it doesn't factor in the legitimate goal Luis Diaz scored against Tottenham not being given. The worst VAR debacle since it's inception in the Prem. Not to mention some of the highly questionable cards that were handed out in that match. Or the game of basketball Martin Odegaard played in the box at Anfield.
The PGMOL will blow whatever kind of smoke up the collective arses that is convenient at the time. In the match against Tottenham, the line was that the play had already resumed so they couldn't call it back to give the goal. Yet only a handful of matches later, roughly 2 minutes of play was called back in favor of giving Crystal Palace a penalty against the very same Reds. Which they scored. Sound.
I'm not saying Liverpool have never benefited from an iffy call going in their favor. But to equate something like the drop ball against Forrest being in the same realm as this shite, is beyond disingenuous. Forrest were also awarded an incorrect drop ball earlier in that match, might I add.
Lazy agendas.
Today, Liverpool had their chances to win the match outright and didn't capitalize. City themselves also hit the woodwork late. Even though that is true, it shouldn't excuse a blatant penalty not being awarded. It doesn't matter what scoring chances were missed up to that point. A penalty is a penalty.
I can't say why exactly these calls are missed routinely against Liverpool, and why City have benefited from so many in their favor during their period of dominance. I can say, I do not believe for a second that it just comes down to incompetence.
A fish stinks from the head.
