GWT: EPL - Matchweek 13

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

Why doesn't the premier league have a VAR room in London like the NHL has their situation room in Toronto? Instead of having 1 VAR ref per game you get several in a room and then they have to collectively make a decision. Obviously time might be an issue as the NHL had a stopped clock but you wouldn't have bad decisions like this consistently.

I dont see how that helps at all but makes these VAR stoppages even longer just to get the same ratio. Nothing the NHL does should be mimicked in fact do the opposite

 

[hatterson]

Yea, by current rule that's a valid goal because the player whose hand it hit didn't score the goal immediately after.

Technically even if the ball had gone off his hand and then was immediately headed in by another West Ham player it would also count since he didn't score the goal himself.

It's why the Rashford goal was ruled out (because he scored the goal himself in the same movement/attacking play as the accidental handball) but the Antonio one counted because he took a shot, it hit the post, and then he put in the rebound so it wasn't "immediate"

 

[bluesfan94]

And this is why the McTom penalty was so frustrating. It’s literally never called that way.

I think you have it backwards. It should be called that way

 

[hatterson]

I think you have it backwards. It should be called that way

It can both be true that a fanbase is frustrated by the inconsistency of a call while also recognizing that in this specific instance the result was correct.

Like the Matthews crosschecking suspension. Yea sure that activity should get a 2 game ban in theory, but the league has never called it that way so it's frustrating to suddenly be called "right" in that case.

 

[bluesfan94]

Probably should be a red card for Lerma to be honest.

 

[hatterson]

Probably should be a red card for Lerma to be honest.

Yea he got lucky he only grazed him, but it was still straight studs to the upper shin.

 

[HoseEmDown]

I dont see how that helps at all but makes these VAR stoppages even longer just to get the same ratio. Nothing the NHL does should be mimicked in fact do the opposite

How would it make the VAR check longer? You have 5 guys looking at the same play it should actually be quicker cause each one can look at a different angle and spot an offense or not.

The 4th official this game is Craig Pawson, why can't he look at the VAR monitor that's on the sidelines to help with the decision? Seems like leaving it up to one official is not the way especially since there is still problems every week.

 

[Jersey Fresh]

Moyes-ball violently veering toward the inept.

 

[hatterson]

How would it make the VAR check longer? You have 5 guys looking at the same play it should actually be quicker cause each one can look at a different angle and spot an offense or not.

The 4th official this game is Craig Pawson, why can't he look at the VAR monitor that's on the sidelines to help with the decision? Seems like leaving it up to one official is not the way especially since there is still problems every week.

The goal of VAR isn't consistency though. Whether rightly or wrongly, VAR is specifically not supposed to look at how other similar plays have been called and prompt the referee to be more consistent with that. All they're supposed to do is to prevent clear and obvious errors but otherwise leave the on-field official to manage the game per his judgement and leave consistency to the behind the scenes PGMOL stuff.

 

[Savant]

And this is why the McTom penalty was so frustrating. It’s literally never called that way.

I don’t think the two plays were similar. Screenshot is very misleading here.

Man Utd play was a dead ball going into the box, where #39 took out the Chelsea player which was exactly where the ball was heading. Chelsea player gets to the ball if he doesn’t get arm tackled and the play was 100% in the box

Arsenal play was all the same action and it started outside the box. If Jesus goes down outside the box it’s probably an outside the box foul; which obviously isn’t a penalty. It’s all the same phase of play and they are both fighting for the ball. Foul outside the box could have been called on initial contact, but ref let it play out.

Thought both calls were the right call

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

How would it make the VAR check longer? You have 5 guys looking at the same play it should actually be quicker cause each one can look at a different angle and spot an offense or not.

The 4th official this game is Craig Pawson, why can't he look at the VAR monitor that's on the sidelines to help with the decision? Seems like leaving it up to one official is not the way especially since there is still problems every week.

And they have their own view of what happened they would need to reach a consensus. NHL reviews are stupidly long VAR has similar issue which would be compounded with a war room.

 

[gary69]

Bundesliga has it one and only VAR room in Köln which handles all the BL matches. Seems to work all right, so it could be done.

 

[bluesfan94]

What a mess of VAR with handballs today

 

[Jersey Fresh]

The only good thing about this match will be the three points. They stole it on the back of terrible decisions.

This squad needs a manager that has a shred of ambition to set these guys up to score.

 

[The Abusement Park]

And they have their own view of what happened they would need to reach a consensus. NHL reviews are stupidly long VAR has similar issue which would be compounded with a war room.

I mean I think all reviews for sports should have a time limit. If you can’t figure out if the call should be overturned in say ~45 seconds than it’s not that egregious.

 

[Jersey Fresh]

What a mess of VAR with handballs today

The second one was a carbon copy of the Matty Cash play that they gave. No matter what they ended up doing there it would have either been incorrectly given or denied against their own precedent.

 

[hatterson]

First one is an awful wording of the rule, but they implemented the rule exactly the way it's intended.

Second one is pretty standard "make the body bigger" under the interpretation of the body being bigger to block a normal attacking move.

 

[Power Man]

GG from Benrahma, which means David will bench him next week