'Emelin extension could get done soon

[TT1]

i think him being injured was actually a blessing in disguise, now we can lock him up for cheaper
so much potential

i would say 3.3M/4 years

 

[Tabarouette]

The loss of Emelin has highlighted his importance, he's a UFA not RFA, salaries are escalating and seem to be disproportionately doing so for defenceman.

That's my argument to support largely a guess on a player with a unique history. I think his salary starts with a $4.xM


Edit: Josh Gorges got $3.9M in a similar status, how does Emelin stack up?

Gorges had 5 complete season with the habs, and over 400 NHL games at the time he signed his extension.

Emelin played 105 games in the NHL, got surgery and was out for the last 6 months or so! 2.5M MAXIMUM, 2 years maximum, then we'll be able to judge what he's worth

EDIT : okay maybe 3M

 

[Number 57]

I think Emelin gets around 3,5 x 4

 

[Tanknation]

Emelin is probably better, but after the Desharnais disaster we can't afford to sign another contract like that one... Desharnais got that contract because he "deserved" it, he was pretty good that season...

I don't think he deserved it because he was playing like crap for while before signing the contract. Let's say he did deserve something one year @3 mill should have been more than enough. I do realize hindsight is 20/20 but he was always a useless midget. I think MB let the Martin St.Louis comparisons made by fans early on in DD career get to his head

 

[Markowicz]

i think him being injured was actually a blessing in disguise, now we can lock him up for cheaper
so much potential

i would say 3.3M/4 years

It will only be a blessing if Bergevin doesn't wait until Emelin comes back for a good stretch of games and plays great again. He needs to take advantage of the injury and leave Newport agency with too small a sample size to prove he's worth a lot. Don Meehan ALWAYS gets the most money for his clients.

 

[Tabarouette]

It will only be a blessing if Bergevin doesn't wait until Emelin comes back for a good stretch of games and plays great again. He needs to take advantage of the injury and leave Newport agency with too small a sample size to prove he's worth a lot. Don Meehan ALWAYS gets the most money for his clients.

well probably not ALWAYS, since he's the agent of like half the players in the league

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Meehan

 

[Ezpz]

Anything under 3.5 is a steal. Cap is going to be 80 mil in 2-3 years.

 

[Agnostic]

Gorges had 5 complete season with the habs, and over 400 NHL games at the time he signed his extension.

Emelin played 105 games in the NHL, got surgery and was out for the last 6 months or so! 2.5M MAXIMUM, 2 years maximum, then we'll be able to judge what he's worth

EDIT : okay maybe 3M

Contracts are forward looking, they mostly take into account what future impact is anticipated to be. I think Emelin > Gorges in that regard.

Gorges had a major knee surgery before his deal. Markov had a major surgery and was off considerable time and got a market value deal.

If Emelin signs for $2.5M it's the steal of the century, so I don't think that's where he'll land.

Also, some players are thought to be a threat to going to the KHL, with Emelin there is a real and present danger of that happening. He'll have more than 30 teams competing for him next July.

 

[Tabarouette]

Contracts are forward looking, they mostly take into account what future impact is anticipated to be. I think Emelin > Gorges in that regard.

Gorges had a major knee surgery before his deal. Markov had a major surgery and was off considerable time and got a market value deal.

If Emelin signs for $2.5M it's the steal of the century, so I don't think that's where he'll land.

Also, some players are thought to be a threat to going to the KHL, with Emelin there is a real and present danger of that happening. He'll have more than 30 teams competing for him next July.

I really only have a problem with "signing a contract based on anticipation", especially in the case of Bergevin who signed Desharnais based on anticipation that was based on a short sample of what they could do

it's the 105 NHL games that bugs me, I need to see more, I want to see if he can keep it up in a full 82 game season

 

[That Habs Fan]

3.5 is about what I'd expect. We need Emelin on this team. Murray's return has had an effect, and Emelin is a younger Murray with better skating + puck moving.

 

[Agnostic]

I really only have a problem with "signing a contract based on anticipation", especially in the case of Bergevin who signed Desharnais (and Moen, if i'm not mistaken?) based on anticipation that was based on a short sample of what they could do

it's the 105 NHL games that bugs me, I need to see more, I want to see if he can keep it up in a full 82 game season

A logical and cautious approach, but while Bergevin is talking about needing more empirical information, Emelin's agents will be scouring 2 continents for a $4M+ deal.

I think this is especially true if there is a hint Markov isn't coming back (which would be a ridiculous team decision imo) . There are many variables with Emelin.

I said $4.5M, maybe that's a little high, maybe I'd be a better agent than GM, maybe I'd be bad being either. But IMO if his salary doesn't start with a 4, it's a cap victory for Bergevin.

 

[Gyfu]

I would not wait at all. He's a newport client, and if you give them an inch they'll take a mile. I'd hammer out a deal before he shows again just how important he is to the club. Anything below 4 million a year over 4 years would be a steal i think. He hasn't even had a chance to show his offensive potential, which i think is definitely there.

couldn't agree more

 

[Blind Gardien]

I wouldn't give Emelin anything over $3M right now. He may or may not be worth more... let him come back and play first, I say. There should be no rush... unless you can get him at a bargain.

 

[Stoneburg]

I wouldn't give Emelin anything over $3M right now. He may or may not be worth more... let him come back and play first, I say. There should be no rush... unless you can get him at a bargain.

The questions then becomes, would you let him become UFA if you can not get him for $3M?

I think we need him too much for that.

 

[Viggo Mortensen]

I see a Jared Cowen-type of deal: 4y at 3.1ea

Both injured before the payout, both a bit unproven. Difference being Emelin is UFA

 

[FinnHab]

IMO max 2year deal, longer deal is out of option after serious injury.

 

[teh doors]

3 or 4 x 3 years. Before he comes back and his play makes him worth more. It's ACL surgery with the best specialists there are, not amputation.

He hasn't even hit his ceiling yet and I can't see him regressing. He's good at all the fundamental aspects of the game, and brings a dimension that a) the team doesn't have and b) every other team wishes they had.

If Emelin plays LD when he comes back (General stays with Subban) he could look even better. And if they give him looks on that second PP unit, look out. Yemeleeeeen is a player get it done MB.

 

[Tyson]

I am not a numbers guy but think about this. Subban will cost over 7mil next season, that will probably cost us Emelin or Markov (who I think has a couple more good years left). With young prospects like Beaulieu, Tinordi, Dietz, Thrower, Ellis in the pipeline, is it possible Habs deal Subban? I am in no way advocating it but for whatever reason the spotlight is always on this kid, good or bad, usually unfounded. Habs could land some serious talent for him. He is my favorite Hab but somehow I don't see him in Montreal long term.

 

[Habaddict]

Anything under 3.5 is a steal. Cap is going to be 80 mil in 2-3 years.

I'm curious why do you think so. I've heard others give similar opinions.
It doesn't make any sense to me at all.

 

[Ezpz]

I'm curious why do you think so. I've heard others give similar opinions.
It doesn't make any sense to me at all.

Emelin as at worst a great #3 dman.

 

[overlords]

Emelin as at worst a great #3 dman.

At worst? You're dreaming.

 

[Habaddict]

I am not a numbers guy but think about this. Subban will cost over 7mil next season, that will probably cost us Emelin or Markov (who I think has a couple more good years left). With young prospects like Beaulieu, Tinordi, Dietz, Thrower, Ellis in the pipeline, is it possible Habs deal Subban? I am in no way advocating it but for whatever reason the spotlight is always on this kid, good or bad, usually unfounded. Habs could land some serious talent for him. He is my favorite Hab but somehow I don't see him in Montreal long term.

Subban's future is the most important question for the Hab at this point.
I think most of us agree on that. The thing is, he may still be getting better.
We may not get a player this good for a long time, so it's probably better
to shuffle the other pieces around him.
I think Emelin will come cheaper than many others here. 2.5 - 3.0 would
be my guess. Markov is more of a concern.
But you are right that we are going to have cap problems next year.

 

[Habaddict]

Emelin as at worst a great #3 dman.

This will cause the cap to go up to 80 ?

 

[Habaddict]

At worst? You're dreaming.

Reasonable 3-4 is likely best case scenario. Still brings what this
team really needs.

But I had been asking about the other part of his post.

 

[Perrah]

This will cause the cap to go up to 80 ?

Revenue projections.

Edit:
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1454551

For some previous discussion.