NFL: Eli Manning benched, Daniel Jones named Giants starting QB

[Troy McClure]

nice
that puts a pretty big hole in your entire "he only had 2 good months" argument then, since Eli is top 10 in a lot of the important QB stats.

My argument is he is an average at best QB when he's compared to his peers. You're in love with his career totals that came from him piling up 15 average seasons.

 

[TheAngryHank]

But you're still talking about two months of good play out of a 15 season career as a starter. For almost all of his career he was not very good.

He was good when it mattered most.

 

[Troy McClure]

He was good when it mattered most.

I think the Giants could have used good Eli in those 13 other seasons.

 

[Elvis P]

The Giants QBs are a guy who will turn 39 January 3rd, the 59th best rookie in the draft according to Scouts Inc, and a guy who played Division III football. Good job, GM.

 

[Big Poppa Puck]

Eli is an average QB who had two hot playoff runs.

 

[John Price]

The hof is extremely open anyway esp to qbs

It's not like the baseball one

He'll get in without an issue.

 

[rangerssharks414]

There's no doubt that he'll get in. I just don't think he deserves it.

 

[Hasbro]

I know people will lose it when Eli + Ben get in and Rivers potentially doesn't.

Except those who have met Rivers.

 

[inthe6ix]

Eli should ask for a trade - he's either washed up and they should release him, or let him play elsewhere where he'll be appreciated.

Two-time Superbowl MVP shouldn't be treated like dirt.

 

[Voight]

John Elway being in HOF and considered among the greatest QB's is what truly lowered HOF bar

Elway is easily the most overrated QB IMO

And since Elway is considered a HOF QB then blocking Eli makes even less sense

Also Eli has more of a case then Aikmen

Agree for the most part but Aikman is the most overrated QB.

It kills me tho, Aikman played fo 10 years didn't do much outside of the 3 Super Bowls. Yet nobody questions his HOF status (maybe that has to do with Cowboys Nation being so big+vast)

 

[BMOK33]

This game is either gonna be 42-38 or 42-10 Tampa. Tampa is either gonna be able to stifle the Giants offense or they aren’t and we know the Giants won’t stop Tampa. I think Jones throws for around 200 yards either way it’s just a question of whether his TD-INT breakdown is 1-3 or 4-3

 

[MMC]

Looked great today.

 

[K Fleur]

I hope Jones ends up being awesome just for how much people shit on that pick.

 

[Blitzkrug]

Safe to say Eli Manning has started his last game in the NFL unless Jones REALLY goes off a cliff in the next couple weeks.

He looked good against a solid Cowboys defense, albeit it was garbage time and now this. It's his job to maintain.

 

[member 157595]

Agree for the most part but Aikman is the most overrated QB.

It kills me tho, Aikman played fo 10 years didn't do much outside of the 3 Super Bowls. Yet nobody questions his HOF status (maybe that has to do with Cowboys Nation being so big+vast)

Definitely. Aikman was a very good QB but he was not an elite one. Those Cowboys teams were carried by generational OL and DL depth, versatility and a punishing running game. That's not to say Aikman wasn't a very good player, he was, but he's not one of the best QB's of all time on his own.

I understand that the primary job of a QB is to lead his team to victory, but just because a team won doesn't mean their QB played better than the other. Christ, Trent Dilfer has more SB rings than Dan Marino and Dan Fouts combined, that alone is more than enough evidence to call that line of thinking into question.

 

[GKJ]

Eli is an average QB who had two hot playoff runs.

Which were the only 2 years that he won any playoff games

 

[Voight]

Nobody is in love with the idea of Eli being in the hall of fame but there is 0 chance a 2x Super Bowl winning QB, who also won MVP both games fair or not is not going to get in. Especially with a guy like Aikman in.

 

[CHfan1]

that's weird then, because there are only 6 active QBs with more pro bowl appearances than Eli
NFL Pro Bowl Selections Career Leaders | Pro-Football-Reference.com

If you want to look at Pro Bowls:

Phillip Rivers has 8
Big Ben has 6
Donovan McNabb - 6
Rich Gannon - 4
Boomer Esiason - 4
Cam Newton, Derek Carr, Andy Dalton, Alex Smith all have 3.

In 2018 there was 11 qb’s named, 2017 - 9, 2016 - 11.

4 in 15 years isn’t that impressive, especially when 2 of those years he was a replacement selection.

Anyways I think he gets in because of the 2 Super Bowls, 2 MVP’s, and him being a New York player.

I don’t think he should though:

- he’s never been an all time great in any season

- never had an all-pro season

- only won playoff games in 2/15 seasons

 

[TheAngryHank]

Does Romo get in with his playoff resume?

 

[Spring in Fialta]

Does Romo get in with his playoff resume?

No, but he was a much better QB.

 

[TheTimTamSlammerMan]

No, but he was a much better QB.

But wasn’t good enough to win what matters.

 

[YEM]

I feel bad for Romo, kinda, as there's a sizable group of HOF QBs who had rough records/stats in the playoffs. Having a couple of amazing runs of play in the playoffs is pretty rare for QBs [who aren't named Tom Brady].