Eklund Rumor: Eklund: Toronto and Arizona

[Dead Coyote]

Maybe some of ya'll need to realize Chychrun can play RD just as well as LD and that he would be better than the 5th LD on the Leafs. You're not adding a 5th LD, you're pushing down your worst LD which is a good thing. Somehow Leafs fans manage to think this is a bad thing.

By Bill Armstrong style, do you mean "bad at hockey" or "is ok with getting paid late"?

Yeah, the guy who just helped STL win a cup only cares about guys who are bad at hockey or are okay with getting paid. You heard it here first!

 

[Space umpire]

Could it have something to do with Knies in his D+1 scored 33 pts in 33 gp last season (15 goals), whereas Slaggert in his D+2 40gp at age 19 only scored 26 pts (12g) in the same league? Not to mention Knies having a 3" and 20lb gap on Slaggert?

Leaf fans hoping Knies can slide onto the 2nd line long term is not a huge hype leap above hoping your guy can be a great 3rd liner. The difference is very small. 1st line would only be because the org is very shallow on the left.

Also, if you are basing this off 2 games where Slaggert is the oldest player on the ice, I think you're making a mistake.

Knies and Slaggert were born a few months apart.
Oh, ok. The height - weight difference. That will win you something.

I was discussing “big stage” games. When the best players stand out. Where championships are won.
You seem more fixated on the regular games.
I bet handshake firmness is important as well.

 

[zodiacbiller]

Wait. I’m sorry.

How would Toronto selling from a vastly overserved area be world burning?

The Leafs left-side D is deeper than their right wing at this point. If they trade Nylander, Tavares is centering Kerfoot and Jarnkrok or Robertson and one of them.

 

[Fogelhund]

If the Leafs make a move for a D, their needs are a RD version of Muzzin, but younger. Physical, strong defensively, good on the PK, good at clearing the crease. The Leafs don't really need more puck movers, or PP experts. Rielly would still be on PP #1. Chychrun has a great contract, and on a better team, probably is a very good D. The skill sets he has, really aren't what are going to put the Leafs over the edge, and the ask is obviously very high from Coyotes mgmt, or he would have been moved already. This just isn't something that makes sense for the Leafs.

 

[Namikaze Minato]

Maybe some of ya'll need to realize Chychrun can play RD just as well as LD and that he would be better than the 5th LD on the Leafs. You're not adding a 5th LD, you're pushing down your worst LD which is a good thing. Somehow Leafs fans manage to think this is a bad thing.

Buddy, doubling down was not the correct choice to make.

 

[A1LeafNation]

Jesus christ did you just call Chychrun a 5th D on the f***ing Leafs?

Man I thought I'd seen it all from Leafs fans shitting on ARI and yet here we are LMAO

No we would have 5 LD.

Common sense ain't so common I guess.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Knies is being so heavily over rated by Leaf fans it’s laughable.

Its not about value but need. Chychurn obviously has way more value then knies in a 1 for 1.

 

[TOGuy14]

Leafs LD depth is currently Rielly, Muzzin, Gio and Sandin

Don’t see them moving their star winger for another LD unless it is a wildly larger deal with way more pieces on both sides

 

[Space umpire]

Its not about value but need. Chychurn obviously has way more value then knies in a 1 for 1.

I’m not even discussing this particular proposal. Just the massive (Bracco level) overrating of Knies.
I think he’s good but Leaf fans (many not all) have him off the table in any proposal.
The objective is to win a cup if you’re lucky enough to have enough talent to open a window.
The Leaf window is open NOW. Knies will be a rookie in 2 years.

I write that as a 59 yr old Hawk fan. After decades of sucking they finally got the talent to have a legitimate window.
They sold everything young and good to win 3 cups in 6 years.
They suck now but FINALLY knowing the feeling of my team being Stanley Cup Champions is totally worth it.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

I’m not even discussing this particular proposal. Just the massive (Bracco level) overrating of Knies.
I think he’s good but Leaf fans (many not all) have him off the table in any proposal.
The objective is to win a cup if you’re lucky enough to have enough talent to open a window.
The Leaf window is open NOW. Knies will be a rookie in 2 years.

I write that as a 59 yr old Hawk fan. After decades of sucking they finally got the talent to have a legitimate window.
They sold everything young and good to win 3 cups in 6 years.
They suck now but FINALLY knowing the feeling of my team being Stanley Cup Champions is totally worth it.

Thats fair and I agree no prospect should be off the table unless its a makar, Matthews, McDavid type. Just don't think this is the particular deal that gets the leafs there.

 

[Stephen]

Why would the Leafs need to add a 1st and a prospect along with an 80 point scorer to get Jakob Chychrun?

 

[Unbiased Fan]

Nylander, Sandin and Muzzin for Chychrun+?

 

[jmelm]

Nylander, Sandin and Muzzin for Chychrun+?

Arizona has ZERO use for Nylander. So unless it's a 3 way trade (with or without AZ retaining) then Nylander brings no value. And I don't know who can give up much for Nylander in trade given the flat cap.

Muzzin also brings no value to AZ and is a pure cap dump from their perspective given he would also be extremely difficult to flip even with retention given the flat cap and his injury/durability concerns.

Any Chychrun trade is NOT a "hockey trade". Rather, it's a "futures" trade since AZ doesn't want or need established players, but prospects and/or picks.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Chychrun is overrated, has no hockey IQ and is really bad defensively. Nylander has far more value. And Arizona dont care about cap hit

That is one hell of a hot take considering he is quite good defensively

 

[Jakey53]

Chychrun is overrated, has no hockey IQ and is really bad defensively. Nylander has far more value. And Arizona dont care about cap hit

You really don't know what you are talking about.

 

[MayDayMayDay]

So according to this thread, a chunk of Leaf fans don't have a f***ing clue who or what Jakob Chychrun is.

And before you retort that we don't have a f***ing clue who William Nylander is, trust me when I say... We do. Because you are Toronto, and your volume of national and international media coverage means that we see him and you a metric shit ton. Nylander is a very good player. But he's not what Arizona should be looking for in a Chychrun deal if we are dealing Chychrun.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

You really don't know what you are talking about.

He isn't to far off. Chyxhurn isn't a top pair d currently and his numbers aren't very good. Chychirn will play better on a better team but he isn't going to magically turn into a top 15 d on his new team.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

So according to this thread, a chunk of Leaf fans don't have a f***ing clue who or what Jakob Chychrun is.

And before you retort that we don't have a f***ing clue who William Nylander is, trust me when I say... We do. Because you are Toronto, and your volume of national and international media coverage means that we see him and you a metric shit ton. Nylander is a very good player. But he's not what Arizona should be looking for in a Chychrun deal if we are dealing Chychrun.

Leafs have absolutely no need for chychurn at all. The defense core they have is solid, what they may need is some consistent secondary scoring for the playoffs. Also I've seen Chychirn play quite a bit, hes a good to very good player but in no way shape or form is he elite.

 

[Kaizen]

He isn't to far off. Chyxhurn isn't a top pair d currently and his numbers aren't very good. Chychirn will play better on a better team but he isn't going to magically turn into a top 15 d on his new team.

And that's part of the reason he's available - he is a good dman on a team friendly contract with control for 3 more years. This makes him a desired commodity.

 

[Guttersniped]

So according to this thread, a chunk of Leaf fans don't have a f***ing clue who or what Jakob Chychrun is.

And before you retort that we don't have a f***ing clue who William Nylander is, trust me when I say... We do. Because you are Toronto, and your volume of national and international media coverage means that we see him and you a metric shit ton. Nylander is a very good player. But he's not what Arizona should be looking for in a Chychrun deal if we are dealing Chychrun.

I’m not a Leaf fan but know they already have Reilly, Muzzin, Giordano and Sandin on the left. I also know that Nylander would be a huge loss.

If they could get Chychrun in there while keeping Nylander then that’s a really good add but they would have to presumably dump Muzzin to do that.

And I don’t know how they could pull that out considering Muzzin has a NTC and is coming off a season where he played 47 games.

And everyone on earth, other than the person who made this rumor up, knows that Nylander to Arizona makes no sense. “They can flip him” doesn’t really improve it because it’s back to not being good for Toronto.

Does anyone like the original basis of the proposal? It feels like a big No.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

And that's part of the reason he's available - he is a good dman on a team friendly contract with control for 3 more years. This makes him a desired commodity.

Never said it didn't, but considering he's not a top tier defender and the Leafs already have a surplus of LHD and already lack secondary scoring, this deal makes no sense.

 

[Prestigeworldwide]

He isn't to far off. Chyxhurn isn't a top pair d currently and his numbers aren't very good. Chychirn will play better on a better team but he isn't going to magically turn into a top 15 d on his new team.

Hes a solid defensiveman, young, on a good team friendly contract. Goals per 60 over the last 3 years he's second to just Cale Makar. He's already a top defenisveman in the league, on a more talented team competing for playoffs he's gonna be a stud. He's gonna bring back a nice haul.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Hes a solid defensiveman, young, on a good team friendly contract. Goals per 60 over the last 3 years he's second to just Cale Makar. He's already a top defenisveman in the league, on a more talented team competing for playoffs he's gonna be a stud. He's gonna bring back a nice haul.

Hes not a top tier defender and by top tier I mean top ten. Chychurn will get a good haul but not a massive one or he would already have been traded. I'd be fine with adding him to the Leafs but not for Nylander who we need much more.

 

[sittler rules!!!]

I just don't see the Leafs completely restructuring their defense AND trying to fill the 70ish point void at RW by the time October rolls around.

Leafs have 4LD who do not play the right side well as it is, adding a 5th just makes it more of a log jam. Meaning you're looking at moving at least 2 of Sandin/Gio/Muzzin out as well and somehow try to get better.

Just doesn't make sense.

If Chychrun come, then you can bank on Sandin and most likely Muzzin gone. Another deal for a low end top 6 forward would be obvious.

 

[CupsOverCash]

Might as well get mathews to AZ out of the way