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Caleb Jones and a 4th is an overpayment? LOL
Caleb Jones and a conditional 3rd is a massive overpayment for a soon to be 38 year old dman making over 5.5 million for the next 2 years.
Caleb Jones and a 4th is an overpayment? LOL
ya it kinda seems like a Chia type trade doesn’t it? But overpay with Jones and a mid rounder? Naaa
Keith will help the Oilers. He's still a solid #4 D, but the value will come with leadership and experience. Something the Oilers really needed to bring in from outside.
Maybe they didn't think it was a bad contract?I've seen teams give away assets to get rid of a bad contract. Chicago managed to offload a bad contract with no retention while receiving some decent assets in return (one of whom could potentially be used to attract Seth Jones). Chicago wins this trade in a landslide and I don't see how someone could think otherwise.
Jones is a dime a dozen player. Every team has a guy like him, and they carry next to no value.
The downside for the Oilers is the cap used - not the assets they gave away.
Well this explanation may actually Vindicate Holland if Keith Retires or is bought out next year(22/23). It can create a $3.4 million dollar cap credit for the Oilers next season. If this is teh case then this is a great move as we can stack up on our UFA next year as the crop is way better.
If Keith were to retire after the 21-22 season: -#BlackHawks would have a $5.5M cap hit in 22-23 & a $2M cap hit 23-24 -#LetsGoOilers would lose his $5.5M actual cap hit in 22-23 & instead have a $3.4M negative cap hit (cap savings), for a swing of $8.9M
If this is in fact how it works and there is a cap hit going to Chicago I am sure All parties(Chi, Edm and Keith) knew the potential consequences and more than likely they were part of the negotiations.That's interesting. However keith is very loyal and chicago had no desire to trade keith until he approached the team asking to be closer to his son. So while anything is possible Keith isn't one to burn a bridge or ruin his great reputation and relationship with chicago.
I see a player that's going to fit perfectly, with all the leadership attributes and wall of accolades, his character and work ethic, Duncan Keith is an excellent ingredient for Edmonton. Honestly very excited to see the 2015 Conn Smythe MVP put on the orange and blue (or dark navy), and build chemistry with Leon and Connor as they progress throughout the season.
And to be honest, the no salary retention is not preferred, but it's not as dire as people are making it to be. The rumor prior to the trade, was 30-50% retention; let's say they agreed on 30%, which works out to be 3.87M from the 5.53M, which would be a savings of approximately 1.65M, for each of the next 2 years. Coming into the off season, if we include a buyout (Neal or Koskinen), Edmonton had nearly 30M in cap space. Are we really losing out sh*t for 1.65M savings in cap space for 2 years? Also can't forget Caleb was getting paid 850k, so now that's off the books as well.
But who would know the true value of this deal? The fans, no. The media, nope. The players? Bingo. Let's not forget, it was Duncan Keith's Blackhawks that eliminated the Oilers in their own city (covid bubble playoffs). They know him very well, and played him in a 4 game series just one year ago.
Both Elliot Freidman and Bob Stauffer (two reliable media sources when it comes to insider information), confirmed that the players found him difficult to deal with in the 2020 playoffs, and a core player stating this is exactly what they needed.
Making the case for Duncan Keith, and how Edmonton Oilers players feel about the trade | Edmonton JournalMaking the case for Duncan Keith, and how Edmonton Oilers players feel about the trade | Edmonton Journal
Friedman: Edmonton Oilers players said Duncan Keith was “difficult defensively” in Edmonton bubble
So, I'm pretty stoked about Duncan Keith coming to Oil country. And I find it embarrassing for our city, the negative reaction to this deal. Edmonton was his #1 destination (something that's nearly unheard of in this league); the 3 time Cup winner, 2015 playoff MVP and named Top 100 players of all time, wants to come here and help this team take that next step. Love it, and he's coming in at the perfect time, in McDavid and Draisaitl's prime and as the team continues to stride towards being a premier yearly contender.
Welcome to Edmonton Duncan Keith
Caleb Jones and a 4th is an overpayment? LOL
If this is in fact how it works and there is a cap hit going to Chicago I am sure All parties(Chi, Edm and Keith) knew the potential consequences and more than likely they were part of the negotiations.
Well this explanation may actually Vindicate Holland if Keith Retires or is bought out next year(22/23). It can create a $3.4 million dollar cap credit for the Oilers next season. If this is teh case then this is a great move as we can stack up on our UFA next year as the crop is way better.
If Keith were to retire after the 21-22 season: -#BlackHawks would have a $5.5M cap hit in 22-23 & a $2M cap hit 23-24 -#LetsGoOilers would lose his $5.5M actual cap hit in 22-23 & instead have a $3.4M negative cap hit (cap savings), for a swing of $8.9M
I've seen teams give away assets to get rid of a bad contract. Chicago managed to offload a bad contract with no retention while receiving some decent assets in return (one of whom could potentially be used to attract Seth Jones). Chicago wins this trade in a landslide and I don't see how someone could think otherwise.