Proposal: EDM - CBJ

[780il]

the part about starting with Dubois is interesting, since the guy it would start with is Seth Jones. The part about Anderson being the third or fourth piece is bang on.

Dubois would be the second piece so he was kinda right about that too.

 

[WannabeFinn]

the part about starting with Dubois is interesting, since the guy it would start with is Seth Jones. The part about Anderson being the third or fourth piece is bang on.

I don’t know why you’re so obsessed with Draisaitl to CBJ offers, literally nobody from the Columbus side is saying you should trade him to us

 

[ChaoticOrange]

I don’t know why you’re so obsessed with Draisaitl to CBJ offers, literally nobody from the Columbus side is saying you should trade him to us

Literally every single trade thread between the two teams that’s all you lot want to talk about. We could start with swapping 7ths and it would still end up with what’s in Jarmo’s couch for Draisaitl.

I agree Anderson isn’t someone you should be selling off... yet.

 

[Homesick]

Why have there been so many posts about the Oilers and Anderson? Blue Jackets fans aren’t starting these threads.

Troll accounts started in the past year???

 

[Jumptheshark]

BJS go no

 

[WannabeFinn]

Literally every single trade thread between the two teams that’s all you lot want to talk about. We could start with swapping 7ths and it would still end up with what’s in Jarmo’s couch for Draisaitl.

I agree Anderson isn’t someone you should be selling off... yet.

You were the first post in this thread, and you are the one who brought up Draisaitl. Let it go.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

You were the first post in this thread, and you are the one who brought up Draisaitl. Let it go.

my strategy is to get ahead of it before someone can suggest the contents of Jarmo’s vehicle’s centre console for Draisaitl. It’s somewhat effective.

 

[Hitemwith4]

How many times do CBJ fans have to tell HF that Anderson is not being moved (unless it for over payment im guessing here)

 

[VainGretzky]

How many times do CBJ fans have to tell HF that Anderson is not being moved (unless it for over payment im guessing here)

How many times do fans have to be told they do not make trades so their demands are fruitless

 

[Hitemwith4]

How many times do fans have to be told they do not make trades so their demands are fruitless

On HF boards all there is fans. Trade proposals here are by the fans. Who else do you think ppl here are talking to? And CBJ fans have stated time and time again they do not want to trade Anderson (unless its a over payment) So why keep bringing it up? Hoping CBJ fans give in ?

 

[CREW99AW]

So Edmonton gets 3 NHL level players they need and Columbus gains what exactly?

A warm, fuzzy feeling for helping out the Oilers?

 

[cslebn]

So close it?

 

[Viqsi]

Literally every single trade thread between the two teams that’s all you lot want to talk about. We could start with swapping 7ths and it would still end up with what’s in Jarmo’s couch for Draisaitl.

We've only got the one significant hole / trade target - playmaking #2C. There are exactly two players on the Oilers that could fill it, and they're both massive, massive, MASSIVE overkill for that hole, so we try to have a policy of not making trade proposals with Edmonton. And yet Oilers fans keep asking us for our roster players, and steadfastly outright refuse to accept "no" for an answer. What the hell else are we supposed to say? "Okay, yeah, you're right, you are deserving and we are nothing, please take our roster players from our filthy peasant hands that you may have your glory properly restored"?

Y'all do not have what we need in any form other than Massive Overkill. So, every once in a while, said Massive Overkill just might get mentioned. Mostly because there are other Oil fans who, again, can't and/or won't understand that "no" means "no". If you find that irksome, learn to police your own rather than taking it out on us.

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How many times do fans have to be told they do not make trades so their demands are fruitless

So we can get Draisaitl for Anderson and spare parts? Good to know.

That particular thought-killing cliche goes both ways. It is not a productive argument.

 

[TFHockey]

To Edm:
Jenner
Anderson
Savard

To CBJ:
Larsson
Chiasson
C. Jones
Puljujarvi
2020 2nd rd pick

Major shakeup for both teams, with Anderson struggling this season and needing a change of scenery, and Columbus definitely not a playoff team this year might be time to collect on some futures with Puljujarvi playing well in Finland and a top oilers D prospect (Seth's brother) and a pick along with roster replacements, I feel Larsson for Savard is fairly equal in itself.

Edmonton doesn't need a massive shake up. The Oilers need a 3C and a winger to play on the 2nd line, preferably a LW.

We've only got the one significant hole / trade target - playmaking #2C. There are exactly two players on the Oilers that could fill it, and they're both massive, massive, MASSIVE overkill for that hole, so we try to have a policy of not making trade proposals with Edmonton. And yet Oilers fans keep asking us for our roster players, and steadfastly outright refuse to accept "no" for an answer. What the hell else are we supposed to say? "Okay, yeah, you're right, you are deserving and we are nothing, please take our roster players from our filthy peasant hands that you may have your glory properly restored"?

Y'all do not have what we need in any form other than Massive Overkill. So, every once in a while, said Massive Overkill just might get mentioned. Mostly because there are other Oil fans who, again, can't and/or won't understand that "no" means "no". If you find that irksome, learn to police your own rather than taking it out on us.

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So we can get Draisaitl for Anderson and spare parts? Good to know.

That particular thought-killing cliche goes both ways. It is not a productive argument.

I don't see Columbus getting the 2C they need from the Oilers. A playmaking 2C is not impossible to get from teams around the NHL but they don't come cheap.

I'd like the Oilers to acquire Anderson from the Jackets. What's the ask?

 

[Viqsi]

I don't see Columbus getting the 2C they need from the Oilers. A playmaking 2C is not impossible to get from teams around the NHL but they don't come cheap.

Which means we're not going to be able to make a deal.

I'd like the Oilers to acquire Anderson from the Jackets. What's the ask?

An asset you just acknowledged y'all can't provide. We really have no reason to trade him unless we're getting a roster player hole filled, and, well, there's really only the one.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

We've only got the one significant hole / trade target - playmaking #2C. There are exactly two players on the Oilers that could fill it, and they're both massive, massive, MASSIVE overkill for that hole, so we try to have a policy of not making trade proposals with Edmonton. And yet Oilers fans keep asking us for our roster players, and steadfastly outright refuse to accept "no" for an answer. What the hell else are we supposed to say? "Okay, yeah, you're right, you are deserving and we are nothing, please take our roster players from our filthy peasant hands that you may have your glory properly restored"?

Y'all do not have what we need in any form other than Massive Overkill. So, every once in a while, said Massive Overkill just might get mentioned. Mostly because there are other Oil fans who, again, can't and/or won't understand that "no" means "no". If you find that irksome, learn to police your own rather than taking it out on us.

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So we can get Draisaitl for Anderson and spare parts? Good to know.

That particular thought-killing cliche goes both ways. It is not a productive argument.

Just say he’s not available then. Saying it would take Draisaitl makes you lot look like rubes slapping together trade offers on NHL20, where you just keep throwing in B and C level assets until the AI crashes.

the guy that put together the Anderson/Savard/Milano/Jenner offer last thread almost gave me a brain aneurysm. The mental gymnastics you have to go through to put together such a miserable offer for a superstar makes Lumbus fans the Simone Biles of the trade board. Leon is not available, to you or to anyone else. If you want to put Anderson in that category, by all means go for it.

 

[Viqsi]

Just say he’s not available then.

Did you perchance miss the two times in that post when I made reference to folks not being willing to accept that answer?

 

[3074326]

I don’t think it’s that bad but Lumbus fans are going to say that Anderson only moves in a package for Draisaitl... which is crazy, but they’ll say it.

Value is slanted to Edmonton, mostly because Chiasson is ass.

I also don’t think the Oilers need a major shakeup right now. They need to get healthy and add a 3C or a 2W without moving much off the roster.

I like how you don't think it's a bad deal for Columbus and then call Columbus fans crazy for their opinions on proposals. This is ****ing terrible for Columbus.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

I like how you don't think it's a bad deal for Columbus and then call Columbus fans crazy for their opinions on proposals. This is ****ing terrible for Columbus.

this is a bunch of stuff for a bunch of stuff, not Kassian+Larsson+Yamamoto+whatever for Seth Jones. The value in OP is in Edmonton’s favour - especially since they purportedly don’t need picks or prospects or defence or anything but a superstar C - but we’re not robbing Columbus of a star at gunpoint like they’re forever trying to do to us.

 

[sens13]

this is a bunch of stuff for a bunch of stuff, not Kassian+Larsson+Yamamoto+whatever for Seth Jones. The value in OP is in Edmonton’s favour - especially since they purportedly don’t need picks or prospects or defence or anything but a superstar C - but we’re not robbing Columbus of a star at gunpoint like they’re forever trying to do to us.

lol. value is ridiculously in edm's favor. only reason you can't acknowledge that is because you overrate your players like hell. pretty evident by your response 'I don't think it's that bad'. hilarious.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

lol. value is ridiculously in edm's favor. only reason you can't acknowledge that is because you overrate your players like hell. pretty evident by your responses 'not too bad'. hilarious.

Boone Jenner had one good season four years ago and since then he’s been looked at as God’s gift to two way play in some circles. Anderson has less points than Patrick Russell. Savard and Larsson are a wash. It’s closer than you think - even though as I’ve said Edmonton is getting the better end of the deal.

 

[Viqsi]

we’re not robbing Columbus of a star at gunpoint like they’re forever trying to do to us.

Hon? We're not trying to trade for Draisaitl. We're really not. We're trying to find some way to get Oil fans to stop asking us about the same damn players that we've said "no" to trading over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over. We say "no" and it's not accepted. We say "he's not available" and get ranted at as to why that can't possibly be right. We throw up our hands and reply with absurd returns and we get accused of "forever trying to rob the Oilers" as though it was something we initiated.

We just want to be taken seriously when we say we don't want to do something and not get endlessly pestered about it. That's all we want. That's all we ever wanted.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Hon? We're not trying to trade for Draisaitl. We're really not. We're trying to find some way to get Oil fans to stop asking us about the same damn players that we've said "no" to trading over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over. We say "no" and it's not accepted. We say "he's not available" and get ranted at as to why that can't possibly be right. We throw up our hands and reply with absurd returns and we get accused of "forever trying to rob the Oilers" as though it was something we initiated.

We just want to be taken seriously when we say we don't want to do something and not get endlessly pestered about it. That's all we want. That's all we ever wanted.

if you want to be taken seriously don’t say things like your winger with three points only moves for superstars. “we don’t want to move him” is totally reasonable. If people won’t take that answer, that’s on them. “It would take Draisaitl” stupidity is on you. That also includes the names like Marner and Pastrnak that get thrown out.

 

[Viqsi]

if you want to be taken seriously don’t say things like your winger with three points only moves for superstars. “we don’t want to move him” is totally reasonable. If people won’t take that answer, that’s on them. “It would take Draisaitl” stupidity is on you. That also includes the names like Marner and Pastrnak that get thrown out.

Allow me to illustrate something that you seem to be missing. Here is a sample conversation illustrating how this process normally goes.

Oilfan: "I want Anderson. What will it take?"
CBJfan: "He's not available."
Oilfan: "Oh, come on. He must be available. What will it take?"
CBJfan: "We don't want to trade him."
Oilfan: "He needs a change of scenery and you guys are doing poorly enough that it makes sense for you to trade him. What will it take?"
CBJfan: "We. Do. Not. Want. To. Move. Him."
Oilfan: "Anderson for Chaisson and a 4th?"
CBJfan: "No."
Oilfan: "Okay, I'll make the pick a 3rd."
CBJfan: "No, because we do not want to trade him."
Oilfan: "Well, what do you need?"
CBJfan: "For folks to stop asking about Anderson. In the interim, however, we really need a #2C. We're not trading Anderson for futures or packages; it doesn't help us."
Oilfan: "Well, we don't have one of those. How about Kassian instead of Chaisson?"
CBJfan: "No. Did you perchance miss the repeated 'we don't want to trade him' assertions earlier?"
Oilfan: "Look, I get that, but I'm really interested. Please just tell me what it would take."
CBJfan: "UGH, fine. Since we need a playmaking #2C, the closest player in value - and it's not all that close, frankly - is Draisaitl. But that's crazy talk, so we weren't going to go there. Satisfied?"
Bizarro You (leaping in): "OMG HOW DARE YOU TRY TO POACH DRAISAITL WHY CAN'T YOU BE REASONABLE"
CBJfan (thinking): Somebody just shoot me now.

The point is that this "it takes Draisaitl" thing is not something we come up with on the fly just to be jerks about it. It's after getting repeatedly pressured to come up with an answer that isn't one of the reasonable ones you're suggesting. We do give those sorts of reasonable answers you're suggesting. Repeatedly. It doesn't take. And then when we finally snap and start giving silly unreasonable answers in a likey vain effort to get folks to shut up and go away, crusaders like you suddenly leap into the thread going on and on about How Dare We Go There.

edit: I accidentally a word

 

[Shnooks]

Edmonton and the Jackets are not potential trade partners. But people in Edmonton keep making ridiculous offers.

Here we go again:

Josh Anderson is 25 years old and he scored 47 points last season. He is big and fast and even willing to fight Zdano Chara. Not many people meet that description.

He hurt his shoulder in the playoffs last year and people suspect he has not fully recovered, hence his slow start.

He is an RFA after the season. The Jackets consider him a core piece and aren't looking to trade him. If we do trade him, we are looking for an upgrade at forward.

Our D is good. We have a pretty good RHD just out of Notre Dame in the AHL (Andrew Peeke) and way more LHD than we know what to do with.

We have several good goalie prospects and we are going with two young goalies in the NHL season. You might disagree with the strategy, but we are not looking for a goalie.

We have a ton of middle six forwards.

We need a Panarin replacement or a 1B/2 C which is why we traded for Duchene last year.

So to get Josh Anderson, you are going to need to offer us a forward better than Josh Anderson.

We are willing to trade other guys to make a deal. We have lots of D, like 2nd pair RHD David Savard or LHD Markus Nutivaara who has a pretty good contract that could be added to the deal. We could throw in someone like Sonny Milano, a skilled former first round pick who doesn't play much defense.

So let's look at forwards and prospects from the Oilers and see if we can make a deal:

NAME	G	A	PTS	+/-	For Anderson?	Why or why not?
Leon Draisaitl C	16	32	48	6	Y	One of the best players in the NHL
Connor McDavid C	18	29	47	5	Y	Best player in NHL
Zack Kassian RW	8	10	18	9	N	28 and never had a 30 point season
James Neal LW	14	3	17	-12	N	32 and bad contract
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins C	5	11	16	-4	N	UFA next year
Alex Chiasson RW	2	4	6	-1	N	29 and never had a 40 point season
Gaetan Haas C	2	3	5	0	N	27 year old rookie
Patrick Russell RW	0	4	4	1	N	Are you kidding?
Jujhar Khaira LW	4	0	4	-4	N	He has awesome eyebrows, but no thanks
Markus Granlund C	3	1	4	0	N	26 and once had a 30 point season
Sam Gagner C	1	3	4	0	N	Been there, done that
Tomas Jurco RW	0	2	2	1	N	26 and in the AHL -- we have those guys
Joakim Nygard LW	1	1	2	-3	N	26 year old rookie
Colby Cave C	1	0	1	-1	N	Is he bettter than Marko Dano?
Riley Sheahan C	0	1	1	-8	N	27 and never had a 40 point season
Josh Archibald RW	0	0	0	-6	N	Are you kidding?
Evan Bouchard					M	D, if we could then flip him for similar forward prospect
Philip Broberg					M	D, if we could then flip him for similar forward prospect
Kailer Yamamoto					N	We have plenty of small skilled forwards
Tyler Benson					M	Maybe if part of a package with a better player
Ryan McLeod					M	Maybe if part of a package with a better player
Cooper Marody					N	Is he friends with Werenski?

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

The Oilers have 2 forwards who leap off the page. We would certainly make a deal with Anderson for either.

After McJesus and Drai, it is pretty slim pickings. RNH is a UFA after next year, so he is probably out unless we make a deal next year that also involves an extension. The rest of the Oilers forwards? I think we'll pass on any of them in a deal centered around Josh Anderson.

As for prospects, the Oilers top two play defense. And Yamamoto is on the small side, so I don't know that he is what we are after.

So I don’t think a trade is likely. But if the Oilers really want Josh, it is a trade that involves Drai. Or a third team who wants Bouchard and has a top forward to trade.

Jesus, CBJ fans REALLY overvalue Josh Anderson. He's not worth Bouchard or Broberg, let alone Draisaitl.

This is why this forum is quite a joke, everybody overvalues their own players and nothing is ever realistic.

And you made that huge post and STILL didn't come up with a reasonable offer.