They are pretty overrated imo, I loved them, but even in last years run they were terrible in half of it( first two series )I wouldnt say Paul, Hagel, Perry, and Bellemare took over with better results. But they have been good replacements. Gourde, Goodrow, and Coleman we so stupidly elite as a third line, you can't diminish or underestimate the 3 of them were.