Eastside Hockey Manager - Part IX Maybe 1.5 Edition?

[xECK29x]

About staff, I'd like to see more offensive-minded coaches. I feel they get rarer as the years go by, although that's likely confirmation bias.

Yea those are likely 170+ PA guys. I tweak coaches I know of, but almost nobody provides me any feedback on coaching types/attributes for Europe, so most of the staff is completely random.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Is the new 1.5 update also going to come with a redistribution of what ratings correspond to what roles? I think the current spread is something like 150-200 CA is a 1st liner, 140-150 CA is a 2nd liner, 125-140 CA is a 3rd liner and like 110-125 CA is a 4th liner. But I feel like with where the custom rosters are at, a more accurate representation is something like:

1st liners: 165 CA-200 CA
2nd liners: 150 CA-165 CA
3rd liners: 135 CA-150 CA
4th liners: 120 CA-135 CA

That's at least what the current ECK rosters would make me think. I'm a year into my sim so this isn't the exact starting rosters, but there are 132 F and D with a 170 CA or higher and I think that's pretty reasonable for how many legit 1st liners or top pair D are in the NHL. Another option is to decrease the current overalls in the ECK rosters, but I would think that increasing the overall CA requirement for certain roles would be more appropriate.

 

[xECK29x]

Is the new 1.5 update also going to come with a redistribution of what ratings correspond to what roles? I think the current spread is something like 150-200 CA is a 1st liner, 140-150 CA is a 2nd liner, 125-140 CA is a 3rd liner and like 110-125 CA is a 4th liner. But I feel like with where the custom rosters are at, a more accurate representation is something like:

1st liners: 165 CA-200 CA
2nd liners: 150 CA-165 CA
3rd liners: 135 CA-150 CA
4th liners: 120 CA-135 CA

That's at least what the current ECK rosters would make me think. I'm a year into my sim so this isn't the exact starting rosters, but there are 132 F and D with a 170 CA or higher and I think that's pretty reasonable for how many legit 1st liners or top pair D are in the NHL. Another option is to decrease the current overalls in the ECK rosters, but I would think that increasing the overall CA requirement for certain roles would be more appropriate.

A few things here.

1) My ratings are as follows, this was adopted from the TBL wiki, I have NOT received any confirmation from Riz one way or another if this is accurate, there are a few things he may never share, this may be one of those items:

Forwards
200 - Generational (Singular once in a decade historical talent at peak)
190 - Superstar (Top 5 player in league)
180 - Franchise (Consistent All-Star)
170 - 1st liner
160 - 1st/2nd liner
150 - 2nd liner
140 - 2nd/3rd liner
130 - 3rd liner
120 - 3rd/4th liner
110 - 4th liner
100 - 4th liner/AHLer
90 - AHL
80 - ECHL

Goalies
200-190 - Generational (Singular once in a decade historical talent at peak)
180-170 - #1 Goalie (Consistent All-Star)
160-150 - 1A Goalie
140-130 - 1B Goalie
120-110 - Backup
100-90 - AHL
80 - ECHL

Defense
200 - Generational (Singular once in a decade historical talent at peak)
190 - Superstar (Top 5 player in league)
170-180 - Franchise (1-2 D) (Consistent All-Star)
160-170 - Top-End (2-3 D)
150-160 - #3-4 D
130-140 - #4-5 D
120-130 - #6-7 D
110-120 - AHLer
100-110 - ECHLer

-2 Potential will be between 10-40
-3 Potential will be between 30-60
-4 Potential will be between 50-80
-5 Potential will be between 70-100
-6 Potential will be between 90-120
-7 Potential will be between 110-140 (quite rare – a good prospect with a decent chance of being a regular NHL player)
-8 Potential will be between 130-160 (rare – a top prospect with a good chance of being a talented NHL player)
-9 Potential will be between 150-180 (very rare – a top 10 prospect who is considered a can’t miss NHL talent)
-10 Potential will be between 170-200 (extremely rare – the top player available in a draft, but not every year)
-11 Potential will be between 20-80 (intended for very young, hard-to-predict players)
-12 Potential will be between 40-100 (intended for very young, hard-to-predict players)
-13 Potential will be between 60-130 (intended for very young, hard-to-predict players)
-14 Potential will be between 90-160 (intended for very young, hard-to-predict players)
-15 Potential will be between 110-190 (intended for very young, hard-to-predict players)
-20 = 150-200 (Ideal for can't miss 1st round picks
-19 = 130-180 (Ideal for later first-rounders)
-18 = 110-160 (Perfect for B grade NHL prospect D)
-17 = 90-140 (Perfect for B grade NHL prospect F)
-16 = 70-120 (Perfect for European kids - non-NHL drafted)

-20 <-> -16 are the new tiers added in 1.5.

1b) Because we don't know what CA ranges align to what club & competition reputation combos we do not know how the game will slot/target players based on CA.

2) I will continue to stick to these tiers until I stop doing this project, the reason being is it aligns cleanly with the PA tiers. We have experimented with lowering CA and expanding it across the NHL (the TBL crew experimented with this starting the NHL at 90 before I took over the DB) and it just doesn't scale cleanly across the globe (also see below on the star system). I've spent months re-tiering the entire database world-wide and it's why I'm adamant that the best way to get realistic tiering is to double all forms of reputation (competition 0-40, clubs 0-20000, CA 0-400), this will allow me to slot all levels of hockey appropriately.

3) The scouting system in the game is a little deceiving, and remember even scouting an entire roster multiple times with all 20/20 scouts you may still be missing something, this is by design. The star system needs to be redesigned or rebranded in a sense, it's really a scale of how much the scout "likes" a certain player, the projected role is what the scout would recommend where the player be slotted, but this is really the GMs call.

 

[MrGold]

Yea those are likely 170+ PA guys. I tweak coaches I know of, but almost nobody provides me any feedback on coaching types/attributes for Europe, so most of the staff is completely random.

Oh I think you're doing a great job. I picked Gallant as soon as I could, then went w/ DJ Smith.

I guess it's only when you reach the randomly generated coaches that you get less Direct/Attacking/Attractive style or play and more that prefer Patient/Defensive. Not sure if the randomness can be tweaked to generate more Direct/Attacking/Attractive styles?

 

[xECK29x]

Oh I think you're doing a great job. I picked Gallant as soon as I could, then went w/ DJ Smith.

I guess it's only when you reach the randomly generated coaches that you get less Direct/Attacking/Attractive style or play and more that prefer Patient/Defensive. Not sure if the randomness can be tweaked to generate more Direct/Attacking/Attractive styles?

If someone wants to give me a list of coaches (not just limited to the NHL) with these style types I am happy to implement them.

 

[francis246]

does anyone know how to do retention in a trade?

 

[xECK29x]

does anyone know how to do retention in a trade?

Salary retention? Not supported by the game.

 

[Savi]

in the CHL Import Draft, I drafted a player from Iceland, I'm heading into a rebuilding year and there wasn't much available
his name is Ingthor, 16 years old, he's 6ft9 240lbs his best attributes are hard work, hitting, strength, and aggression. He's got 1 on stickhandling
I'll just have him running around destroying everything and never touching the puck

 

[francis246]

@xECK29x is it absolutely impossible to do the future transfers right now in the database?

 

[xECK29x]

@xECK29x is it absolutely impossible to do the future transfers right now in the database?

It’s crashing with anything I do on 1.4.1, it’s working completely in 1.5, I have over 1k in the extra_config I keep with then base DB.

 

[FreshBlood]

Sometime I dont get this game.

 

[xECK29x]

Sometime I dont get this game.

AI is really bad with the tight cap, I may be expanding it a bit in the next update of the DB, especially with lack of LTIR for teams after TDL it will be impossible to play the game as teams that added salary late in the year. So very likely I’ll bump the cap $10-20m..

 

[francis246]

AI is really bad with the tight cap, I may be expanding it a bit in the next update of the DB, especially with lack of LTIR for teams after TDL it will be impossible to play the game as teams that added salary late in the year. So very likely I’ll bump the cap $10-20m..

I always start with an 87.5 cap. That seems to be a good number that works

 

[francis246]

It’s crashing with anything I do on 1.4.1, it’s working completely in 1.5, I have over 1k in the extra_config I keep with then base DB.

makes sense, playing with the NCAA is so big for me and trying to play around with player reps to get the playable schools to sign guys from USHL and BCHL is so hit or miss. I can adjust their player reps to get signed but then they sign with the unplayable colleges

 

[xECK29x]

makes sense, playing with the NCAA is so big for me and trying to play around with player reps to get the playable schools to sign guys from USHL and BCHL is so hit or miss. I can adjust their player reps to get signed but then they sign with the unplayable colleges

Im convinced College clubs in general are just broken, I’ve tried so many levels of reputation and I can’t get it right, I believe it’s because they need to be Amateur clubs that hurts them.