Early look for 2021 draft

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Henkka

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Seems that we don't have a topic for the next draft.

I done some study about points-scoring based on primary points from different league. That study isn't ready anyhow, but one early find is that this 2021 WHL forward class looks very strong. It's stronger than that 2016 (Patrick, Yamamoto, Mattheos, Rasmussen), which has so far been the best on last 5 years.

For 2021 draft, I can only compare DY-1 productions between different classes, because:

A) it's the latest season we have for 2021 class, there's no DY (draft year) data yet
b) it's also only reasonable season, because many of the kids won't even play on that DY-2 season

What I've found, from all CHL leagues, it seems that there's generally some one-season wonders on DY-1 year and at DY years. Those usually can bust at higher rate. But if there's a kid that will put two good seasons in-a-row, relatively vs. his class, that seems to become an NHL player, and a good one.

Here is the WHL data, and with some familiar names you understand the ballpark where those 2021 players could be. And like we all know, much can happen in 1 year, but we'll see that year later.


Adjusted DY-1NAME
11,202017 - Nolan Patrick
11,142021 - Dylan Guenther
9,762021 - Cole Sillinger
8,602021 - Conner Roulette
8,452021 - Logan Stankoven
7,652017 - Kailer Yamamoto
6,992019 - Dylan Cozens
6,132017 - Stelio Mattheos
5,722021 - Jack O'Brien
5,692021 - Gabe Klassen
5,612020 - Justin Sourdif
5,232020 - Connor Zary
4,892019 - Peyton Krebs
4,842020 - Connor McClennon
4,802020 - Seth Jarvis
4,582017 - Mason Shaw
4,472021 - Zack Stringer
4,292021 - Ryder Korczak
4,262017 - Michael Rasmussen
4,202019 - Kirby Dach
4,022021 - Mikey Milne
4,012017 - Nikita A. Popugayev
4,002020 - Ridly Greig
3,582020 - Ozzy Wiesblatt
3,452017 - Kole Lind
3,392019 - Nolan Foote
3,132021 - Tyson Kozak
3,022020 - Carter Souch
2,942021 - Jackson Berezowski
2,912017 - Jaret Anderson-Dolan
2,852018 - Kyle Topping
2,722021 - Colton Dach
2,692020 - Kyle Crnkovic
2,682018 - Eli Zummack
2,662017 - Lane Zablocki
2,662018 - Luka Burzan
2,632017 - Jordy Bellerive
2,552017 - Cody Glass
2,502020 - Jake Neighbours
2,292019 - Sasha Mutala
2,212018 - Michael Farren
2,132019 - Luke Toporowski
2,072021 - Jayden Grubbe
2,022019 - Dillon Hamaliuk
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2021 Class
- Top10 value - 21,40
- Top player - 11,14 (Dylan Guenther)

2020 Class
- Top10 value - 13,90
- Top player - 5,61 (Justin Sourdif)

2019 Class
- Top10 value - 11,22
- Top player - 6,99 Dylan Cozens

2018 Class - 7,09
- Top player - 2,85 (Kyle Topping)

2017 Class - 19,61
- Top player - 11,20 (Nolan Patrick)

As we see, that 2018 Class has been ultimate worst.

This 2021 looks very good, and Guenther is at level of Nolan Patrick, who was an unquestionable #1 overall year before 2017 draft. But in 2021, there seems to be better depth behind Guenther, this 2021 has 11 better players than the best one (Topping) from 2018 class.

What is remarkable, Top10 on this number rank from last 5 years includes six class 2021 WHL guys. Six per ten guys.

These early WHL number are really strong compared to OHL, which is having a significant drop. OHL could still be better overall league, but when I compare those years generally, it seems that this WHL year is extraordinary and those players are so much better than current top OHL guys, that these should project as better NHLrs.
 

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Same data from OHL.

Took last 7 years to get McDavid's DY-1 in comparison.

Adjusted DY-1ClassPlayer
18,292015Connor McDavid
13,572016Alex DeBrincat
12,302020Cole Perfetti
9,912020Quinton Byfield
8,902015Mitchell Marner
8,682015Travis Konecny
8,052020Jacob Perreault
7,722020Marco Rossi
7,182021Mason McTavish
6,962016Tye Felhaber
6,922019Arthur Kaliyev
6,532017Sasha Chmelevski
6,012019Ryan Suzuki
5,812019Blake Murray
5,532021Chase Stillman
5,442015Dante Salituro
5,412021Francesco Pinelli
5,382021Wyatt Johnston
5,092017Jason Robertson
5,082017Gabriel Vilardi
4,982017Ivan Lodnia
4,902020Ty Tullio
4,872021Brett Harrison
4,872020Ethan Cardwell
4,852021Brennan Othmann
4,812020Jean-Luc Foudy
4,812016Taylor Raddysh
4,802017Nick Suzuki
4,572020Jaromir Pytlik
4,512018Ryan Merkley
4,462016Logan Brown
4,422020Will Cuylle
4,302018Allan McShane
4,272020Hayden Fowler
4,252019Nicholas Robertson
4,202018Akil Thomas
4,182017Austen Keating
4,052016Jordan Kyrou
4,012020Logan Morrison
3,852021Ty Voit
3,772015Dylan Strome
3,742015Blake Speers
3,612021Avery Hayes
3,612017Matthew Strome
3,612016Jakob Chychrun
3,252020Antonio Stranges
3,242015Lawson Crouse
3,152015David Miller
3,102020Cameron Butler
3,092015Nikita Korostelev
2,842018David Levin
2,772018Kirill Nizhnikov
2,762016Will Bitten
2,732021Ryan Winterton
2,732019Danil Antropov
2,722020Rory Kerins
2,702017Ryan McGregor
2,692020Ty Collins
2,652018Aidan Dudas
2,642017Zachary Roberts
2,632020Brandon Coe
2,612021Braeden Kressler
2,612020Evan Vierling
2,592016Kyle Maksimovich
2,562018Ty Dellandrea
2,522017Owen Tippett
2,512019Philip Tomasino
2,502020James Hardie
2,452019Jamieson Rees
2,422015Brett McKenzie
2,382018Barrett Hayton
2,322021Ethan Burroughs
2,322020Aidan Prueter
2,322018Nathan Dunkley
2,302017Morgan Frost
2,292016Brandon Saigeon
2,242018Serron Noel
2,192020Sahil Panwar
2,172019Daniel D'Amico
2,162016Nathan Bastian
2,142020Dominic Mufarreh
2,142016Timothy Gettinger
2,122017Kirill Maximov
2,062015Mitchell Stephens
2,062018Ryan McLeod
2,052021Deni Goure
2,052018Brady Hinz
2,042018Richard Whittaker
2,022019Joe Carroll
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DeBrincat's DY-1 was heavily pulled by McDavid's draft year.

Also can see hoe strong this OHL 2020 is comapred to former OHL classes.

2021 class
- Top10 value: 15,09
- Top player: 7,18 (Mason McTavish)

2020 class
- Top10 value: 23,14
- Top Player: 12,30 (Cole Perfetti)

2019 class
- Top10 value: 10,79
- Top Player: 6,92 (Arthur Kaliyev)

2018 class
- Top10 value: 9,79
- Top Player: 4,51 (Ryan Merkley)

2017 class
- Top10 value: 12,14
- Top Player: 6,53 (Sasha Chemelevski)

2016 class
- Top10 value: 15,59
- Top Player: 13,57 (Alex DeBrincat)

2015 class
- Top10 value: 21,35
- Top Player: 18,29 (Connor McDavid)

So it looks like OHL has been quite crap for classes 2017,2018,2019. But these 2015+2016 and 2020+21 could be strong.

Especially 2020, because McDavid pulls those 2015+2016 maybe too much as Generational individual.

If I cut the top player off from each classes, all classes except 2020 (superior) and 2018 (crap) become quite equal.
 
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First look at 2021 DY-1 QMJHL class tells about a strong class too.

Lafreniere inflated those 2020 classes and I did include him to 2019 class too as Dy-2 player, because of that old birthday to see how he does there. Superior individual against them, but weaker classes overall.

When WHL being strong too and OHL being weak, I could predict these CHL leagues will be quite near each other, maybe more than ever.
 
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Some Early rank of CHL forwards. Every League treated as equal.

34 players.

NaturalCurrentDEC 31
RANKPosPosPlayerSizeHandAGETeamDataLEAGUE
11,14LWRWDylan Guenther6'01R17,73EDM3,461WHL
10,59CLWZachary L'Heureux5'11L17,63MON3,092QMJHL
9,76CLWCole Sillinger6'00L17,63MH2,850WHL
8,60LWLWConner Roulette5'11L17,63SEA2,511WHL
8,45CCLogan Stankoven5'08R17,85KAM2,842WHL
8,38CC/RWXavier Bourgault5'11R18,19SHA3,681QMJHL
7,18CC/RWMason McTavish6'01R17,92PBO2,538OHL
6,99CC/LWJoshua Roy6'00L17,40SNB1,794QMJHL
6,78CLWJames Malatesta5'09L17,58QUE1,922QMJHL
6,71CC/LWZachary Bolduc6'00L17,85RIM2,258QMJHL
5,72CCJack O'Brien5'11L17,63POR1,672WHL
5,69LWLWGabe Klassen5'10L17,50POR1,541WHL
5,53RWRWChase Stillman5'10R17,76SBY1,752OHL
5,41CC/LWFrancesco Pinelli6'00L17,72KIT1,671OHL
5,38CCWyatt Johnston5'11R17,63WSR1,573OHL
4,87CC/LWBrett Harrison6'01L17,57OSH1,375OHL
4,85LWLWBrennan Othmann5'11L17,99FLNT1,807OHL
4,47LWLWZack Stringer6'02L17,73LET1,390WHL
4,29CCRyder Korczak5'10R18,27MJ2,032WHL
4,28CCJustin Robidas5'07R17,80VDO1,392QMJHL
4,02LWLWMikey Milne5'11L18,28WPG1,921WHL
3,85CRWTy Voit5'08R17,56SAR1,078OHL
3,61CRWAvery Hayes5'10R18,23HAM1,648OHL
3,50CCZach Dean5'11L17,99GAT1,304QMJHL
3,23CCManix Landry5'11L18,11GAT1,323QMJHL
3,22CCCole Huckins6'03L17,63BAT0,940QMJHL
3,13CCTyson Kozak5’11L18,01POR1,183WHL
2,94RWRWJackson Berezowski5'10R18,08EVT1,176WHL
2,89CCRiley Kidney5'10L17,77BAT0,921QMJHL
2,73CCRyan Winterton6'00R17,33HAM0,677OHL
2,72LWLWColton Dach6'02L17,99SAS1,012WHL
2,61CC/RWBraeden Kressler5'09R17,99FLNT0,973OHL
2,32RWRWEthan Burroughs5'10R17,53OS0,640OHL
2,26RWRWMarshall Lessard5'09R18,28VDO1,081QMJHL
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Owen Power definitely is a special talent. 6'5 talented defenceman. Not so sure about Luke Hughes. Lambos also looks fine.

Power-Seider would be nice 1st pair at defence.

How about that Kent Johnson? Huge productive season at BCHL, but how is the level of that League? LAtest experiment from Alex Newhook wasn't impressive. Was hyped to be Top3 talent at draft, but when the draft moment came, guy did drop to 16th overall.

Johnson has been beating Newhook's production at earlier age, so maybe there's something. Great thing that he is already going to NCAA, and will start playing and learning from olders players than other juniors.

I'll try to find some data for comparison.
 
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Owen Power definitely is a special talent. Not so sure about Luke Hughes. Lambos also looks fine.

How about that Kent Johnson? Huge productive season at BCHL, but how is the level of that League? LAtest experiment from Alex Newhook wasn't impressive. Was hyped to be Top3 talent at draft, but when the draft moment came, guy did drop to 16th overall.

Johnson has been beating Newhook's production at earlier age, so maybe there's something. Great thing that he is already going to NCAA, and will start playing and learning from olders players than other juniors.

I'll try to find some data for comparison.

Newhook was never firmly considered a top 3 talent.
 

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Right now I'm more excited for the 2021 class than the Wings first pick this year (the lottery debacle still stings, year after year). If the Wings pick top 10, there seems to be a good chance to land one of the top D (Clarke or Powers) or one of the top C from the Q (Roy, Bourgault, L'Hereux, Bolduc or Dean).
 

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I think right now it's a much weaker forward class, but a much better defensive one. There are some interesting forwards like Kent Johnson or Aatu Raty, though for someone that is supposed to be in contention for 1st overall he had a disappointing season imo.

If I was to go league by league this is who I'd note as potential 1st rounders:

USHL:

Matthew Michael Knies, F
Matthew Beniers, F
Owen Power, D
Red Savage, F
Chaz Lucius, F
Matthew Coronato, F
Sasha Pastujov, F
Luke Hughes, D

QMJHL

Evan Nause, D
Isaac Belliveau, D
Zachary L'Heureux, F
Xavier Bourgault, F
Zachary Bolduc, F
Zach Dean, F
James Malatesta, F
Justin Robidias, F
Joshua Roy, F

WHL/BCHL

Cole Sillinger, F
Dylan Guenther, F
Ryder Korczak, F
Logan Stankoven, F
Conner Roulette, F
Carson Lambos, D
Zack Stringer, F
Ayrton Martino, F
Kent Johnson, F

OHL

Mason McTavish, F
Francesco Pinelli, F
Wyatt Johnston, F
Brandt Clarke, D
Daniil Chayka, D

Sweden

William Eklund, F
Isak Rosen, F
William Stromgren, F
Fabian Lysell, F
Anton Olsson, D
Jesper Wallstedt, G

Russia

Dmitri Kostenko, D
Alexei Prokopenko, F
Daniil Lazutin, F
Prokhor Poltapov, F
Nikita Chibrikov, F

Finland

Aatu Raty, F
Jeremi Tammela, F
Samu Salminen, F
Verner Miettinen, F
Niko Huuhtanen, F

Everywhere Else

Stanislav Svozil, D
Martin Rysavy, F
Brian Zanetti, D

Although, after compiling the list I will say that I'm not as down on the year as I was before. I really like the WHL, QMJHL, & USHL/NCAA crop particularly Johnson and Korczak out West. I also think Matthew Michael Knies is someone that should do well if he is able to get playing time in the NCAA. He put up fantastic numbers on a deep Chicago team and received little PP time from what I saw. On the flip side It does seem like a down year for the OHL outside of Clarke, he also may have had inflated stats at ES so I'm not sold as him as the #1D, but so much can change in 1 year.
 
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Kent Johnson looks pretty good.
Has a D-1 guy ever blown away the BCHL like that before?

Struggling to remember if Turris was in his -1 year or his actual draft year. I know I should look it up and being lazy because I need to go for a run. I do know he terrorized that league for a year for sure.
 

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Kent Johnson looks pretty good.
Has a D-1 guy ever blown away the BCHL like that before?

From what I can tell it was by far and way the best D-1 season in the history of the BCHL. The best comparable we have is Alex Newhook's DY-1 season in 2018. Newhook in his DY-1 was 17.63, his age based on September 15th, had 47 ES points, 26 PP points, 1 SH point, and a 1.47 point per game. Johnson was 17.91 years old in his DY-1 had 60 ES points, 39 PP Points, 2 SH points, and a 1.94 points per game. Unfortunately there's no on ice data for the BCHL so we're unable to tell if one player was getting luckier than the other, but all else equal Johnson was in a completely different world compared to Newhook.

I think looking back Newhook would have been a fine pick in the 5-10 range of the 2019 draft, considering the season Johnson had I don't think it's outlandish to suggest he is top 5, and I'd argue he has a claim to the #1 spot. I don't think it's out of the question for him to push 1.30-1.50 points per game, assuming he gets top minutes.
 
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Brett Hull, over two points per game and almost a goal a game in his pre-draft season.

His draft season in hilarious, 105 goals in 56 games with 188 points.

So in 106 career BCHL games, Brett Hull scored 153 goals.

The Turris season I was thinking of was his actual draft year. Though given his August birthdate, you have to say his draft BCHL season is certainly worth discussing in this context in my opinion. Similar to how that was brought up a lot with Byfield, Crosby, MacKinnon and other guys that are super young. It makes some of those seasons really frightening when you consider that.
 
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In my dream we get Luke Hughes, Quinn Hughes wants to get out of Vancouver and wants to play with his younger brother. We sign him up. Jack is tired of New Jersey and requests a trade. Obviously we get him for a 1st round pick.

Triple Hughes brothers is the best fanfic.
 

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This should be a unique draft for us as Michigan-based draft fans. Two really, really high end kids are going to be playing for Michigan next year in Owen Power and Kent Johnson. We could have informed opinions, which is a little surreal.

Hope they'll find their girlfirends from Michigan.

At least then we get them at 2028 as UFAs.

Now it's time to mobilize young Michigan women!
 
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