Like I said, Yzerman had a very good career. That does not change the fact that each player I put higher on the list had a better career than him.
Let's go through your arguments:
-Finished top 10 in scoring 5 times from 1984-1993
Lindsay finished top 5 in scoring 6 times, Howe 20 times.
-1989 Lester B award
Of the players on my list only Lidstrom and Hasek were eligible for the award during their peak. Hasek won it twice. It's now called the Ted Lindsay award btw.
-1998 Conn Smythe
Lidstrom and Hall have one too. Besides, it has only been awarded since 1965.
-2000 Selke Award
You are right about this, no other player on my list has a Selke. The players above him on my list have 15 Norrises, 12 Vezinas and 8 Harts combined though.
-Captain from 1987-2006
Noone beats him there, good point.
-lead his team to the Cup in 1997, 1998, and 2002
Doug Harvey won the Cup six times, Red Kelly eight.
-lead his team in points 2 out of 3 of those years.
Gordie Howe was the leading playoff scorer six times.
On all the points you listed, except number of years as a captain and winning a Selke, others on the list equal or surpass Yzerman's accomplishments. None of this means that Yzerman career wasn't spectacular, it's just that he doesn't have the same kind of hardware as the others.
Ok, Yzerman oviously played in a more difficult era which is why he doesnt have as much hardware. Did you see the team he was on while scoring all those 100 point seasons? Did you see who was ahead of him in the standings?
1989:
Lemieux,
Gretzky
1990:
Gretzky,
Messier
1991:
Gretzky,
Hull, Oats, Recchi, Cullen
1992:
Lemieux, Stevens,
Gretzky,
Hull,
Robitaille,
Messier, Roenick
1993:
Lemieux,
LaFontaine, Oats
Also Consider who was winning the Harts and Arts those years. All HOFers.
How about this. Yzerman brought the Red Wings out of the "dead wings" era and into Glory, that ALONE brings him to the Top 3 Easily. Guys like Hasek, Harvey, Hall, Fetisov should not be ahead of Yzerman at all
-Hasek: won the cup with them in 2002, nothing else
-Harvey: ok..he won six cups with the CANADIENS.
-Hull: 1 Cup, nothing else
-Fetisov: Helped win 2 Cups, nothing else
None of these guys won anything else with the Wings, only with other teams. The only 2 guys you have named who have have hardware WITH the red wings are Lindsay and Howe. Half the players you named won their hardware with other teams. That doesn't make them better with the Red Wings.
Im not saying he should be number 1, but how about the fact that Steve Yzerman's number is hanging in the damn rafters of Joe Louis arena along with 5 other Red Wing greats?
While my players weren't listed in any particular order, I'm pretty humiliated for having not included Nolan rather than Friesen (I'm a huge Nolan fan). Have NO idea how I missed that one.
haha ya me too. When i saw Nolan wasn't there, i was shocked. But its all good.
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