Friedman: Dvorak’s name is out there, Minnesota interested (again)

[YotesFan47]

My thinking was maybe Minnesota offers Greenway+1st for Dvorak since Minnesota has two 1st round picks. Dvorak and Greenway have almost identical production this past season. 1st added to even out the value of Dvorak playing the more important position.

I personally have little interest in Greenway but BA keeps a lot close to the vest so I have no idea where he's at. That could work but I would be disappointed if that was the result. Dumba is the only other player of interest to me not named Rossi (who I don't actually have interest in, just think he'd make sense) or Boldy (I have significant interest in).

 

[rt]

Dvorak for Rask and Rossi.

 

[Unbiased Fan]

Fiala ( 50\50 that he’s moved ) for Dvorak

 

[bsu]

I would very much like him on the Ducks

 

[AKL]

Dvorak, Soderstrom, Hayton, 1st for Dumba, Rask and Hartman

 

[RABBIT]

I love the Wild fans on here, but I highly doubt there’s any way Armstrong gives up a 25 year old center, signed for 4 more years at 4.5m for anything less than Rossi or Boldy.

I don’t see a late 1st and/or a winger like Fiala or Greenway snagging a young center on that contract, especially considering that the Wild are seemingly the inquiring party.

 

[Foppberg]

Timmins/Kaut + 2nd?

 

[Digitalbooya]

Dvorak for Rask and Rossi.

Fiala ( 50\50 that he’s moved ) for Dvorak

I will be pretty unhappy if either of these trades went down. Rossi's ELC is too valuable to give up at the moment. I think Fiala has a lot more value than Dvorak so there would need to be more to the trade.

 

[BKarchitect]

Timmins/Kaut + 2nd?

Not close.

 

[Foppberg]

Not close.

For 'Zona?

 

[TaLoN]

I love the Wild fans on here, but I highly doubt there’s any way Armstrong gives up a 25 year old center, signed for 4 more years at 4.5m for anything less than Rossi or Boldy.

I don’t see a late 1st and/or a winger like Fiala or Greenway snagging a young center on that contract, especially considering that the Wild are seemingly the inquiring party.

Going by Guerin's comments today, there's likely no deal to be had here then.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

There are literally posts in this thread explaining his inherent value to the Coyotes and as predicted we get the “regurgitate stats with no context” post bang on page one.

You can try to justify your delusion all you want but a 1st, a top prospect and a good roster player is a package you give for a difference maker, that's Filp Forsberg territory, that's Johnny hockey or Matt Tkachuk Territory

Christian Davork isn't that dude

 

[AKL]

Going by Guerin's comments today, there's likely no deal to be had here then.

If there was no conversation to be had, there'd be no rumor. Given that there's a rumor, that means there's probably a conversation to be had. Given that, either Dvorak is available for pieces that aren't Rossi/Boldy/Fiala, or those three are available for Dvorak. If we take a step back and try to look at this objectively, I think we can all come to determine which of those two scenarios is more likely.

I understand Arizona fans not wanting to move him for fair value, but that's not how trades work, and there could be a variety of reasons he might be moved for less than those types of assets.

So with all that, I'd say something around Dumba and Dvorak, or something around a 1st/2nd+prospect (not named Boldy/Rossi) is what the discussion has been.

 

[sens13]

You can try to justify your delusion all you want but a 1st, a top prospect and a good roster player is a package you give for a difference maker, that's Filp Forsberg territory, that's Johnny hockey or Matt Tkachuk Territory

Christian Davork isn't that dude

lol amirov is not a top prospect. kerfoot is a 3c. maybe you should stop your delusion.

 

[BKarchitect]

For 'Zona?

Yeah. There’s zero reason for them to liquidate their young, under contract center into a 2nd round draft pick and a decent but nothing special prospect.

 

[Digitalbooya]

I love the Wild fans on here, but I highly doubt there’s any way Armstrong gives up a 25 year old center, signed for 4 more years at 4.5m for anything less than Rossi or Boldy.

I don’t see a late 1st and/or a winger like Fiala or Greenway snagging a young center on that contract, especially considering that the Wild are seemingly the inquiring party.

I'm not sure I follow your train of thought on this one.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

lol amirov is not a top prospect. kerfoot is a 3c. maybe you should stop your delusion.

Amirov absolutely is a top prospect

 

[Jormungandr]

If there was no conversation to be had, there'd be no rumor. Given that there's a rumor, that means there's probably a conversation to be had. Given that, either Dvorak is available for pieces that aren't Rossi/Boldy/Fiala, or those three are available for Dvorak. If we take a step back and try to look at this objectively, I think we can all come to determine which of those two scenarios is more likely.

I understand Arizona fans not wanting to move him for fair value, but that's not how trades work, and there could be a variety of reasons he might be moved for less than those types of assets.

So with all that, I'd say something around Dumba and Dvorak, or something around a 1st/2nd+prospect (not named Boldy/Rossi) is what the discussion has been.

There can be a variety of reasons players get traded for more than market value. As much as Wild fans don’t want to hear it.

 

[TaLoN]

So with all that, I'd say something around Dumba and Dvorak, or something around a 1st/2nd+prospect (not named Boldy/Rossi) is what the discussion has been.

I think it's safe to say based on Guerin today... if he's to be believed, your second option would be more likely.

I got the distinct impression he's keeping Dumba... unless it's a major deal like Eichel for example.

I also got the distinct impression, he's definitely not moving Boldy or Rossi.

 

[RABBIT]

Going by Guerin's comments today, there's likely no deal to be had here then.

I’m thinking the same. Both GM’s seem like hard asses that aren’t going to budge.

I'm not sure I follow your train of thought on this one.

It was definitely written strangely. I meant a late first won’t cut it, and I don’t think Greenway or Fiala being the main piece in a deal will cut it either. My use of the “and/or” kind of made things convoluted

 

[Digitalbooya]

I’m thinking the same. Both GM’s seem like hard asses that aren’t going to budge.

It was definitely written strangely. I meant a late first won’t cut it, and I don’t think Greenway or Fiala being the main piece in a deal will cut it either. My use of the “and/or” kind of made things convoluted

I understand what you meant. It's just odd to see something like Fiala can't be the main piece in a deal or that Fiala+late 1st wouldn't work when I would rather have Fiala than Dvorak. To each their own I guess.

 

[RABBIT]

I understand what you meant. It's just odd to see something like Fiala can't be the main piece in a deal or that Fiala+late 1st wouldn't work when I would rather have Fiala than Dvorak. To each their own I guess.

I love Fiala as a player, but I love Dvorak being a natural center with a secured team friendly contract more. Arizona will want a young player that’s not due for an expensive contract that can grow with the team for the next couple of years, as we most likely won’t be competitive. Trading for a winger like Fiala makes no sense, as Fiala doesn’t fit the plan of developing and building through the draft.

 

[YotesFan47]

If there was no conversation to be had, there'd be no rumor. Given that there's a rumor, that means there's probably a conversation to be had. Given that, either Dvorak is available for pieces that aren't Rossi/Boldy/Fiala, or those three are available for Dvorak. If we take a step back and try to look at this objectively, I think we can all come to determine which of those two scenarios is more likely.

I understand Arizona fans not wanting to move him for fair value, but that's not how trades work, and there could be a variety of reasons he might be moved for less than those types of assets.

So with all that, I'd say something around Dumba and Dvorak, or something around a 1st/2nd+prospect (not named Boldy/Rossi) is what the discussion has been.

BA has shown a willingness to draw a line in the sand and not cross it for the sake of making a deal. A deal without Rossi or Boldy does not make sense for the Coyotes. If we are moving Dvorak, Dumba does not make sense for the Coyotes either. I know I brought his name up but it was without thinking the situation through, my mistake.

If the deal needs to be expanded in some way, such as Dvorak + additional asset for Rossi/Boldy + additional asset than I would say we have the basis of a deal.

OEL + Dvorak for Suter + Parise + Rossi/Boldy + O'Rourke + 1st would have made some sense too. Suter and Parise likely wouldn't have waived anyway, hints the necessity for a buyout.

 

[Digitalbooya]

I love Fiala as a player, but I love Dvorak being a natural center with a secured team friendly contract more. Arizona will want a young player that’s not due for an expensive contract that can grow with the team for the next couple of years, as we most likely won’t be competitive. Trading for a winger like Fiala makes no sense, as Fiala doesn’t fit the plan of developing and building through the draft.

That's perfect, because I don't really want to trade Fiala. Works out for both teams

 

[RABBIT]

That's perfect, because I don't really want to trade Fiala. Works out for both teams

agreed, I wouldn’t want to either by the way lol