Friedman: Dvorak’s name is out there, Minnesota interested (again)

[RABBIT]

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Per Elliotte’s 31 thoughts podcast, he said he has heard Dvorak’s name out there and quotes Russo saying the Wild are interested (around the 4:50 mark.) They have been interested in him for years, it seems.

As a Coyotes fan, it would take overpayment for this to make sense. We are extremely thin down the middle, and he’s a young player signed to a very team friendly contract. If you get blown away by an offer and want to go full reset, I could see you trading Dvorak for an ELC with high upside and/or high picks.

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[BKarchitect]

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Per Elliotte’s 31 thoughts podcast, he said he has heard Dvorak’s name out there and quotes Russo saying the Wild are interested (around the 4:50 mark.) They have been interested in him for years, it seems.

As a Coyotes fan, it would take overpayment for this to make sense. We are extremely thin down the middle, and he’s a young player signed to a very team friendly contract.

That contract is golden. He was on pace for over for 24 goals this season. He took almost twice as many draws as any other player on the Coyotes and is good at them. The Yotes have no direct replacement at all unless you think Hayton is going to suddenly explode this year.

People are gonna say he’s smallish and that his raw point totals aren’t that impressive - and are going to complete ignore the context of the offense he’s in, the role he plays at all levels including both special teams units, the lack of *true center* depth and his very friendly contract which for an improving player in a flat cap era makes him extremely attractive to basically any team.

Add it all up - and like everyone outside of Chychrun I’m sure the Coyotes are willing to listen because other teams see that he’s a valuable player signed to good term…that doesn’t mean they are shopping him or willing to trade him for anything another fan base may consider fair. I think he’s the perfect player for the Avs to target as a true 2C on an upward trajectory but I know I won’t like the price…but that’s because he’s a really good asset.

 

[themelkman]

Labanc +? That’s exactly what kind of deal the sharks should move Labanc in

 

[Bazeek]

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Per Elliotte’s 31 thoughts podcast, he said he has heard Dvorak’s name out there and quotes Russo saying the Wild are interested (around the 4:50 mark.) They have been interested in him for years, it seems.

As a Coyotes fan, it would take overpayment for this to make sense. We are extremely thin down the middle, and he’s a young player signed to a very team friendly contract. If you get blown away by an offer and want to go full reset, I could see you reading Dvorak for an ELC with high upside and/or high picks.

Across two GMs, even.

I think if Arizona's looking for a 1st + prospect sort of deal Minnesota can probably make that happen, assuming that prospect isn't Rossi or Boldy. Ideally Rask would go back the other way to keep the cap even, but at this point I don't know if that's even necessary. I tend to agree with Coyotes fans that trading one of their best centers for a futures package like that doesn't make a lot of sense... but if we've been reminded of anything in the last two days, it's that GMs follow a different sort of logic.

 

[BKarchitect]

Labanc +? That’s exactly what kind of deal the sharks should move Labanc in

Labanc does very little to move the needle in a trade for Dvorak. He’s the same age, makes more money and scores less while not being anything close to a center or the two-way player Dvorak is tasked with being.

 

[Some Other Flame]

Dube + Valimaki + Monahan for Dvorak + Kessel

Kessel most likely wouldn't waive for Calgary but a second line of Tkachuk-Dvorak-Kessel would be fun. Probably not what the Coyotes are looking for anyway.

 

[themelkman]

Labanc does very little to move the needle in a trade for Dvorak. He’s the same age, makes more money and scores less while not being anything close to a center or the two-way player Dvorak is tasked with being.

To me, Labanc is the superior offensive talent. He makes slightly more, and is about the same term. He’s not a two way center, he’s an all offense top six winger who’s a power play specialist. May not interest Arizona at all, but I just wondered considering they are similar caliber players and the sharks have wanted to find a hockey deal for Labanc.

 

[Joel Ward]

Amirov, Kerfoot, 2022 1st or 2nd? Get your high potential ELC, inexpensive center and a pick for the rebuild.

 

[YotesFan47]

Across two GMs, even.

I think if Arizona's looking for a 1st + prospect sort of deal Minnesota can probably make that happen, assuming that prospect isn't Rossi or Boldy. Ideally Rask would go back the other way to keep the cap even, but at this point I don't know if that's even necessary. I tend to agree with Coyotes fans that trading one of their best centers for a futures package like that doesn't make a lot of sense... but if we've been reminded of anything in the last two days, it's that GMs follow a different sort of logic.

Rossi would make a lot of sense given the coach we just hired. Boldy or Rossi would have to be in the deal for me to consider it. No idea if BA has another opinion.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Dvorak makes a ton of sense for Minnesota. His contract goes till the end of the worst part of the "dead cap era."

Greenway is an interesting name that was brought up in a previous thread. What would need to be added to him for Dvorak?

 

[1989]

What's wrong with the keyboards they already have?

 

[Digitalbooya]

Rossi would make a lot of sense given the coach we just hired. Boldy or Rossi would have to be in the deal for me to consider it. No idea if BA has another opinion.

Well that would be dead on arrival. I don't see any shot Minnesota trades their elite ELCs when cap is going to be really tight.

 

[BKarchitect]

To me, Labanc is the superior offensive talent. He makes slightly more, and is about the same term. He’s not a two way center, he’s an all offense top six winger who’s a power play specialist. May not interest Arizona at all, but I just wondered considering they are similar caliber players and the sharks have wanted to find a hockey deal for Labanc.

Fair I just don't think on a team with Kessel, Schmaltz, Keller, etc and no real (good) centers outside of Dvorak that he profiles as something that would get a conversation started.

I mean - Dvo is 25 and signed long-term to a team friendly deal. Unlike Garland, there is no contract uncertainty to worry about. Dvo plays an all-weather game. There's really no reason to trade him unless the Coyotes are going to recalibrate at a even younger age range to rebuild around - in which case they need a real, true, blue chip younger asset/prospect back who can be a part of their next core. Not a late first or equivalent "solid" prospect or grab bag of things. Give the Coyotes ONE true centerpiece prospect back and then maybe they think about it.

 

[YotesFan47]

Well that would be dead on arrival. I don't see any shot Minnesota trades their elite ELCs when cap is going to be really tight.

Oh yea, totally understand. Didn't mean to insinuate otherwise. Just speaking from my own viewpoint for the Coyotes.

 

[TaLoN]

Rossi would make a lot of sense given the coach we just hired. Boldy or Rossi would have to be in the deal for me to consider it. No idea if BA has another opinion.

End of discussion then. Minnesota says no thanks.

GMBG just said today that he expects the team to have players on ELCs making an impact. These two are frontrunners for that.

 

[Traptor]

I would take him on the flames if we decide to move on from Monahan. That would be amazing value for us down the middle (Lindholm @ $4,850,000 until 2024+ Dvorak @ $4,450,000 until 2025). He would also fit really well with Sutter's style.

Maybe something around:
1st (120a) + x2 seconds
or dube + 2nd

 

[Gurglesons]

Dvorak is very underrated. Love him.

I think there is an argument that in terms of cost and contract, Minnie would be better off targeting Dvorak than Eichel.

 

[themelkman]

Fair I just don't think on a team with Kessel, Schmaltz, Keller, etc and no real (good) centers outside of Dvorak that he profiles as something that would get a conversation started.

I mean - Dvo is 25 and signed long-term to a team friendly deal. Unlike Garland, there is no contract uncertainty to worry about. Dvo plays an all-weather game. There's really no reason to trade him unless the Coyotes are going to recalibrate at a even younger age range to rebuild around - in which case they need a real, true, blue chip younger asset/prospect back who can be a part of their next core. Not a late first or equivalent "solid" prospect or grab bag of things. Give the Coyotes ONE true centerpiece prospect back and then maybe they think about it.

Totally fair to ask, I just didnt view him as that good, but everyone has different evaluations of a guy.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Oh yea, totally understand. Didn't mean to insinuate otherwise. Just speaking from my own viewpoint for the Coyotes.

My thinking was maybe Minnesota offers Greenway+1st for Dvorak since Minnesota has two 1st round picks. Dvorak and Greenway have almost identical production this past season. 1st added to even out the value of Dvorak playing the more important position.

 

[16thOverallSaveUs]

Minnesota’s got their fingerprints on everything

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Amirov, Kerfoot, 2022 1st or 2nd? Get your high potential ELC, inexpensive center and a pick for the rebuild.

That's A LOT for a player that's never scored 20 goals

 

[BKarchitect]

My thinking was maybe Minnesota offers Greenway+1st for Dvorak since Minnesota has two 1st round picks. Dvorak and Greenway have almost identical production this past season. 1st added to even out the value of Dvorak playing the more important position.

Contract as well - and I'm sure Greenway isn't going to break the bank either but a known friendly term has to be worth something in Dvo's court as well. Greenway soon to be RFA? I like Greenway though, he's a unique player. JEE-Dvo-Rossi would be a center base you can build around for sure.

I'm not a Coyotes fan (though I am a Dvorak fan) - so I say this as an impartial observer but I feel like the issue isn't so much that Dvorak plays a more important position - it's more like he's the only one who plays that more important position well.

 

[GermanSpitfire]

Rossi/Boldy 1st?

 

[BKarchitect]

That's A LOT for a player that's never scored 20 goals

There are literally posts in this thread explaining his inherent value to the Coyotes and as predicted we get the “regurgitate stats with no context” post bang on page one.

 

[TaLoN]

Rossi/Boldy 1st?

No